WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.000 Thank you. 00:05.000 --> 00:08.000 Hi, everybody. 00:08.000 --> 00:10.000 I'm Maupachekko. 00:10.000 --> 00:14.000 So a few years ago, I joined a nonprofit in the US. 00:14.000 --> 00:17.000 The simple goal was to use my skills. 00:17.000 --> 00:21.000 The skills that I have acquired in my long career as a software engineer. 00:21.000 --> 00:23.000 I'm put in a good cost, right? 00:23.000 --> 00:28.000 So the nonprofit that I choose or that I get into is some stack. 00:28.000 --> 00:36.000 So some of the stack is a nonprofit that helps people on the represented backgrounds to break into tech, right? 00:36.000 --> 00:41.000 So social, Hispanic and Latinx, which I am part of that community and allies. 00:41.000 --> 00:45.000 So I don't know if you know how nonprofit works in the US. 00:45.000 --> 00:48.000 I certainly didn't do like, didn't know at the time. 00:48.000 --> 00:53.000 But nonprofits usually manage a lot of different things, right? 00:53.000 --> 00:59.000 It is my contribution is no bullet from volunteer to be the city hall or some of stack. 00:59.000 --> 01:05.000 And there I see it in monthly board meetings talking about two things. 01:05.000 --> 01:07.000 So the first one was legal stuff. 01:07.000 --> 01:12.000 Like how to protect the data of the people that we were like getting, 01:12.000 --> 01:15.000 how to, I don't know, avoid conflict of interest. 01:15.000 --> 01:20.000 And you know, lawsuits is almost the American national sports, maybe after tariffs. 01:20.000 --> 01:24.000 And the second thing is managing the budget. 01:24.000 --> 01:28.000 So the budget in an nonprofit, especially like ours, that is very small. 01:28.000 --> 01:34.000 We get money from grants, from company match or from donations. 01:34.000 --> 01:36.000 So the budget was a big thing. 01:36.000 --> 01:42.000 But as a city hall, I really wanted to focus in the technology part in the strategy part. 01:42.000 --> 01:47.000 So these are the four things that I get myself involved into. 01:47.000 --> 01:52.000 So the first was maintaining websites and systems with the help of the volunteers. 01:52.000 --> 01:57.000 The second like create content for hackathons or lab training skills. 01:57.000 --> 02:05.000 Building community tools like resume reviewers, interview simulators or matching mentors with mentees. 02:05.000 --> 02:10.000 And mainly organizing meetups with people or leaders from the industry. 02:10.000 --> 02:16.000 We fast realize that all of these can benefit from the data recognition, right? 02:16.000 --> 02:22.000 So each one of these activities, like for the volunteers, maybe the volunteer of the month, 02:22.000 --> 02:26.000 maybe for the speakers that went to oral events or maybe went someone, 02:26.000 --> 02:30.000 computer hackathon or maybe mentorship program, right? 02:30.000 --> 02:34.000 So all of these require a digital recognition. 02:34.000 --> 02:39.000 So we went there and then we looked for options and then we realized that the biggest one was 02:39.000 --> 02:42.000 readily by Pearson. This is non-sponsored. 02:42.000 --> 02:46.000 So we asked for a quote and it was insanely expensive, right? 02:46.000 --> 02:49.000 So this was outside of our budget. 02:49.000 --> 02:51.000 It was something that we couldn't pay. 02:51.000 --> 02:55.000 So, you know, as a programmer as a heart, I said, why don't we build one, right? 02:55.000 --> 02:57.000 So I pitched that to the board. 02:57.000 --> 03:02.000 Not because it was easy, but because I think it was easy. 03:02.000 --> 03:06.000 So the board saw that with good eyes. 03:06.000 --> 03:14.000 I vaguely know about open boxes and stuff, but we have 100 things more to take care about. 03:14.000 --> 03:16.000 So that went to the backlog. 03:16.000 --> 03:22.000 I have been in the February for a few years, but it wasn't until, you know, who, but Twitter, 03:22.000 --> 03:27.000 the one that we cannot name, that I moved my presence for good to the mastodon. 03:27.000 --> 03:32.000 So I spent all my time there and I got really, really involved and excited about the activity 03:32.000 --> 03:34.000 that everybody here knows. 03:34.000 --> 03:36.000 What is activity pop? 03:36.000 --> 03:38.000 And then I started creating my blog, right? 03:38.000 --> 03:44.000 So I started creating my blog and then I read some posts about it and then it got viral. 03:44.000 --> 03:47.000 You know, for the Fediver's kind of thing viral, right? 03:47.000 --> 03:50.000 Like five reports and 10 likes. 03:50.000 --> 03:55.000 But I really knew the challenges of the activity pop and the potential of it. 03:55.000 --> 03:58.000 And then I remember my project of the batches. 03:58.000 --> 04:01.000 So I say, well, why I don't build one, right? 04:01.000 --> 04:03.000 Of course, I am not naive. 04:03.000 --> 04:04.000 I have a long career. 04:04.000 --> 04:06.000 I know that when someone thinks about that. 04:06.000 --> 04:07.000 Good idea. 04:07.000 --> 04:09.000 Maybe there are others that are working on that. 04:09.000 --> 04:11.000 And yeah, I mean, I find that there are things. 04:11.000 --> 04:15.000 I think the people that is behind activity pots is behind activity batches, 04:15.000 --> 04:20.000 which was trying to create a new specification for how to do this, 04:20.000 --> 04:23.000 how to federate batches into the Fediver's. 04:23.000 --> 04:27.000 But I think it was not what someone was looking for. 04:27.000 --> 04:29.000 And then I decided to still to build my own. 04:29.000 --> 04:32.000 Now, I have a confession to make. 04:32.000 --> 04:33.000 I love that net. 04:33.000 --> 04:38.000 So I know that is not the first choice for many people in the Fediver's. 04:38.000 --> 04:41.000 I know, but I think it's a beautiful language. 04:41.000 --> 04:43.000 So I decided to build batch fed in dot net. 04:43.000 --> 04:48.000 And I knew that because it's not the first option for many people in the Fediver's. 04:48.000 --> 04:52.000 You need to be scalable, extensible, you need to be based on the standards. 04:52.000 --> 04:56.000 You need to be something that maybe people don't go to toast the code of there, right? 04:56.000 --> 04:59.000 So I decided to do that. 04:59.000 --> 05:01.000 I didn't want to create a new standard. 05:01.000 --> 05:05.000 So of course, I look into activity pop and open batches. 05:05.000 --> 05:10.000 So activity pop and open batches, as you may know, both are based on JSON, L.D. 05:10.000 --> 05:15.000 So this is language or specification for link documents in JSON. 05:15.000 --> 05:22.000 And I know that maybe here is going to be, yeah, I was thinking that maybe I could 05:22.000 --> 05:25.000 zoom in, but I don't know how to do it in Max, sorry. 05:25.000 --> 05:29.000 But basically, this is an open batch object. 05:29.000 --> 05:31.000 And it has many sections. 05:31.000 --> 05:36.000 It has a section like a batch, an issuer, and a recipient. 05:36.000 --> 05:39.000 So the recipient can be a URL or an email. 05:39.000 --> 05:45.000 So I decided why not to link the identity of the recipient with an activity pop actor, right? 05:45.000 --> 05:50.000 Or why not the issuer, which has an ID and a URL, 05:50.000 --> 05:52.000 can be that an actor, right? 05:52.000 --> 05:58.000 So that's why JSON-LD can work on, like you just link a document with another one. 05:58.000 --> 06:02.000 So I discovered that in activity pop we have attachments. 06:02.000 --> 06:07.000 Attachment usually are used for images or for videos or kind of things. 06:07.000 --> 06:13.000 But there is nothing that tells me that it cannot be used to actually attach an open batch, right? 06:13.000 --> 06:15.000 So this is how it looks like. 06:15.000 --> 06:22.000 So this is an activity pop node that has inside an attachment that is an open batch. 06:22.000 --> 06:29.000 Now the issuer, the URL of the issuer, it is the same URL as the attributed to, like, 06:29.000 --> 06:30.000 feel. 06:30.000 --> 06:32.000 So this is how you link that. 06:32.000 --> 06:36.000 There are a few other things about how to sign this and everything. 06:36.000 --> 06:41.000 But basically, this is the main link between an open batch and an activity pop node. 06:41.000 --> 06:44.000 So now this enables a lot of different things, right? 06:44.000 --> 06:49.000 So now issuer can be followed, then batches can be, like, commented. 06:49.000 --> 06:51.000 You can share, you can boost, you can even quote. 06:51.000 --> 06:55.000 So these are social features to open batches, right? 06:55.000 --> 06:57.000 So this is how it looks like. 06:57.000 --> 07:01.000 So it basically, this is a batch fed instance. 07:01.000 --> 07:06.000 You can see that I am taking right now an issuer from my batch fed instance. 07:06.000 --> 07:09.000 And I put it that into MasterDone. 07:09.000 --> 07:12.000 So in MasterDone, I can follow that. 07:12.000 --> 07:15.000 And you can see that the notes show there. 07:15.000 --> 07:18.000 The recipients or the batch is also there. 07:18.000 --> 07:19.000 I will copy that. 07:19.000 --> 07:23.000 I will go to my MasterDone and then I will can interact with that, right? 07:23.000 --> 07:26.000 So if I, like, fast forward a little bit, 07:26.000 --> 07:31.000 you can command it the batch and then you go to batch fed and it will show the comments. 07:31.000 --> 07:35.000 So people can interact with the batches directly in batch fed, right? 07:35.000 --> 07:39.000 But now, because an issuer can pose a batch, right? 07:39.000 --> 07:41.000 And this is an activity for batch. 07:41.000 --> 07:43.000 Issuer can also follow the issuer's. 07:43.000 --> 07:46.000 And then issuer can receive those notes. 07:46.000 --> 07:49.000 And then they can validate that those are actually batches. 07:49.000 --> 07:55.000 And then so here you can see that that is how the centralized aspect works. 07:55.000 --> 08:00.000 In this instance, I have external batches and I have batches of that instance. 08:00.000 --> 08:04.000 So they can decentralize each other. 08:04.000 --> 08:08.000 So now I can just view the batch in the original instance. 08:08.000 --> 08:10.000 So this is really a cache. 08:10.000 --> 08:14.000 This is very, very similar to how MasterDone does things with notes. 08:14.000 --> 08:16.000 Because I can do that. 08:16.000 --> 08:17.000 Now I can have relays. 08:17.000 --> 08:22.000 I can have one actor that just repose things about that university, right? 08:22.000 --> 08:24.000 I can have batches for my indigames. 08:24.000 --> 08:26.000 So indigame industry can have a relay. 08:26.000 --> 08:30.000 And you can follow that actor and then you can receive the batches for that actor. 08:30.000 --> 08:33.000 Or for a specific industry or for a specific region, right? 08:33.000 --> 08:39.000 So now the federation enables all of these basically because activity. 08:39.000 --> 08:45.000 So I mean, I have so many demos and I don't know how many most minutes I have. 08:45.000 --> 08:47.000 Yeah, I think I have a few. 08:47.000 --> 08:52.000 But I mean, this is something that is working. 08:52.000 --> 08:55.000 Now, because batches now lives in the fediverse. 08:55.000 --> 08:57.000 You can create your own wallet, right? 08:57.000 --> 08:58.000 You can create your own wallet. 08:58.000 --> 09:00.000 Again, this is based on standards. 09:00.000 --> 09:03.000 So you can put some code there that listens to notes. 09:03.000 --> 09:05.000 Check that half an open batch. 09:05.000 --> 09:07.000 It is linked to some notifications. 09:07.000 --> 09:10.000 And then you can have your own Mozilla backpack. 09:10.000 --> 09:12.000 Or I think it's called batch here now. 09:12.000 --> 09:14.000 You can have in your domain. 09:14.000 --> 09:15.000 You can have your batches there. 09:15.000 --> 09:17.000 Your employees can go there. 09:17.000 --> 09:18.000 Or you can, I don't know. 09:18.000 --> 09:21.000 Say, hey, I am very good in this indigame. 09:21.000 --> 09:24.000 And I have that in your own domain. 09:24.000 --> 09:27.000 Right now, I think it's not loading. 09:27.000 --> 09:29.000 But right now, yeah. 09:29.000 --> 09:33.000 Now, you can embed those batches in your website. 09:33.000 --> 09:35.000 For some reason, the videos are not loading. 09:35.000 --> 09:36.000 Yeah. 09:36.000 --> 09:38.000 So this is my profile. 09:38.000 --> 09:40.000 You can go to your profile. 09:40.000 --> 09:42.000 You can just copy like a snippet. 09:42.000 --> 09:44.000 And then you can embed that inside. 09:44.000 --> 09:46.000 I will make all this slides available. 09:46.000 --> 09:49.000 So you can see all the money behind batch fare. 09:49.000 --> 09:50.000 Right? 09:50.000 --> 09:53.000 And the thing that enabled this was to some mistake. 09:53.000 --> 09:55.000 And I know that this is linked in. 09:55.000 --> 10:00.000 But some of us that usually made use of linked in to reach the community, 10:00.000 --> 10:02.000 the Spanish community. 10:02.000 --> 10:07.000 And then you can see here, we have like. 10:07.000 --> 10:13.000 Issue a lot of batches for all the volunteers for all or community for all or speakers. 10:13.000 --> 10:15.000 They don't even know that this is the Fedivers. 10:15.000 --> 10:18.000 They just receive the batch to the profile. 10:18.000 --> 10:20.000 They have like this linked in capabilities. 10:20.000 --> 10:22.000 And they can interact with the batches. 10:22.000 --> 10:24.000 And they don't know that are in the Fedivers. 10:24.000 --> 10:27.000 This is really now making an impact in or non-profit. 10:27.000 --> 10:31.000 And now I want to expand that to other non-profits that are out there. 10:31.000 --> 10:37.000 So the problem was traditional batch platforms were costly, but also were siloed. 10:37.000 --> 10:42.000 Now we want to create something that is standardized, open source, federated. 10:42.000 --> 10:44.000 It doesn't need to be in.net. 10:44.000 --> 10:46.000 You can create it in Python or. 10:46.000 --> 10:50.000 But the key takeaway was it is not about batch fare. 10:50.000 --> 10:54.000 It's about the idea that we can link these technologies. 10:54.000 --> 10:58.000 And then we can do this in other instances. 10:58.000 --> 11:03.000 I want to see this implementation in other languages if possible, right? 11:03.000 --> 11:05.000 So as a developer, you can grow there. 11:05.000 --> 11:08.000 You can try to help me in UX or development, 11:08.000 --> 11:10.000 integrations, documentation. 11:10.000 --> 11:12.000 There is a lot of things to do there. 11:12.000 --> 11:15.000 There are already some people that have contributed. 11:15.000 --> 11:16.000 So thank you very much. 11:16.000 --> 11:17.000 I issue some batches. 11:17.000 --> 11:20.000 As an organization, maybe you can use batch fare. 11:20.000 --> 11:23.000 Or maybe you can join community credentials. 11:23.000 --> 11:25.000 It is free for non-profits. 11:25.000 --> 11:29.000 So they can just go there and then start issuing batches. 11:29.000 --> 11:33.000 Also as a supporter, you can go to that web page right now. 11:33.000 --> 11:37.000 Vatfet.org slash get slash force them 26. 11:37.000 --> 11:42.000 I don't know if my server is going to be able to handle 100 people getting batches. 11:42.000 --> 11:43.000 Let's find out. 11:43.000 --> 11:45.000 Yeah, let's find out. 11:45.000 --> 11:48.000 You can break my server right now if you want. 11:48.000 --> 11:53.000 And then at the end of the day, this is going to be locked down. 11:53.000 --> 11:56.000 So take your batch if you can. 11:56.000 --> 11:58.000 There are a lot of challenges. 11:58.000 --> 11:59.000 Scaling. 11:59.000 --> 12:00.000 How to search batches. 12:00.000 --> 12:02.000 How to do discovery ability. 12:02.000 --> 12:06.000 This is not new for batch or only isolated for batch fare. 12:06.000 --> 12:09.000 But also for all kinds of diverse implementations. 12:09.000 --> 12:10.000 Moderation. 12:10.000 --> 12:14.000 How I avoid someone to issue a batch that I don't want. 12:14.000 --> 12:18.000 It has some basic moderation like public and private and stuff like that. 12:18.000 --> 12:21.000 But still we need to have more right. 12:21.000 --> 12:23.000 And then identity portability. 12:23.000 --> 12:26.000 How can we move credentials between platforms? 12:26.000 --> 12:30.000 How can this something that that we are having is some mistake? 12:30.000 --> 12:32.000 How can they have their own instance? 12:32.000 --> 12:35.000 And then move everything from community credentials to there. 12:35.000 --> 12:37.000 But this is not just for batch fare. 12:37.000 --> 12:41.000 This is our challenges for the whole diverse implementations. 12:41.000 --> 12:42.000 Right. 12:42.000 --> 12:44.000 So I really believe in this project. 12:44.000 --> 12:48.000 So the question is not like how we are going to transform it. 12:48.000 --> 12:51.000 But the question is how you are going to help me to get there. 12:51.000 --> 12:52.000 All right. 12:52.000 --> 12:56.000 So again, these are the links and I can take questions. 12:56.000 --> 12:59.000 All right. 12:59.000 --> 13:01.000 We've got hand here. 13:01.000 --> 13:06.000 We've got a hand here that there was actual vibration where I was sitting. 13:06.000 --> 13:10.000 But I think that's because Evan is kind of drumming his hands. 13:10.000 --> 13:11.000 Hi. 13:11.000 --> 13:17.000 What's the feedback from the community that you've received about the batches? 13:17.000 --> 13:20.000 So I got good feedback. 13:20.000 --> 13:22.000 A lot of people love batches. 13:22.000 --> 13:26.000 But the first thing that I received was that it was a spammy. 13:26.000 --> 13:32.000 So because if you are in a conference right now and you issue 100 batches, you have 100 notes. 13:32.000 --> 13:38.000 And if I put a hashtag that is for them, then people are going to get 100 notes about that. 13:38.000 --> 13:43.000 So the first thing that I think and you put an issue, I don't remember. 13:43.000 --> 13:49.000 But the first thing that we did is we had some hashtags that people can filter from. 13:49.000 --> 13:54.000 And then we did some modifications that bought. 13:54.000 --> 14:00.000 We still need to do more modifications like for example, a batch that can have multiple attachments. 14:00.000 --> 14:03.000 And then you can just issue 100 in one note. 14:03.000 --> 14:05.000 So that was the first feedback. 14:05.000 --> 14:09.000 But then another foundation from Poland. 14:09.000 --> 14:11.000 Then join. 14:11.000 --> 14:14.000 And then I realized that everything wasn't English, right? 14:14.000 --> 14:18.000 So I have like a federation discovery. 14:18.000 --> 14:19.000 I don't know. 14:19.000 --> 14:20.000 Like I waited. 14:20.000 --> 14:23.000 You can fed it with different batches instances. 14:23.000 --> 14:24.000 So that's another one. 14:24.000 --> 14:26.000 Like, oh, I forgot to add a language, right? 14:26.000 --> 14:32.000 So I mean, the more people use this, the more I will get closer to something that can. 14:32.000 --> 14:34.000 Everybody can use. 14:34.000 --> 14:36.000 Just before Evan says anything. 14:36.000 --> 14:39.000 I think I've been a big fan of this particular project. 14:39.000 --> 14:41.000 I've been a fan of all of your projects. 14:41.000 --> 14:43.000 I'm such a petty fan. 14:43.000 --> 14:49.000 But from my background, I've been in I'm tech for a long time and yeah, I was IBM and they do these. 14:49.000 --> 14:52.000 You know, badges for your accreditation and things. 14:52.000 --> 14:55.000 And then I knew the Mozilla effort around open badges as well. 14:55.000 --> 14:58.000 So I just think this is such a cool idea. 14:58.000 --> 15:00.000 Congratulations. 15:00.000 --> 15:02.000 Yeah, thank you so much. 15:02.000 --> 15:08.000 One of the use cases I think you mentioned earlier was about identity verification. 15:08.000 --> 15:12.000 And I just wanted to check and see how that works or what you think. 15:12.000 --> 15:13.000 Where do you think it would work? 15:13.000 --> 15:16.000 Like, this is the real Evan Pedro Moff. 15:16.000 --> 15:20.000 Yeah, so this project opened to me a world of micro credentials, right? 15:20.000 --> 15:21.000 That I didn't know it. 15:21.000 --> 15:24.000 So there is a whole community there that is very active. 15:24.000 --> 15:29.000 And there are a lot of challenges that are not specifically about the Fedivers or the 15:29.000 --> 15:34.000 Batchets itself, but outside, like, how did you cross an issuer, right? 15:34.000 --> 15:35.000 How did you know? 15:35.000 --> 15:41.000 So you can actually issue someone from UK told me, hey, can we verify the age, right? 15:41.000 --> 15:44.000 Like, you know, now in social media, you have this age verification. 15:44.000 --> 15:46.000 Can we, like, verify the age? 15:46.000 --> 15:50.000 Yeah, of course, like, if you have a government and everybody tries that government, 15:50.000 --> 15:52.000 you can issue an open badge. 15:52.000 --> 15:56.000 It has some cryptographic protections and everything. 15:56.000 --> 15:58.000 So it can help. 15:58.000 --> 15:59.000 Yeah, it really can help. 15:59.000 --> 16:03.000 I really love the Federation, but the same challenges that the community has for 16:03.000 --> 16:06.000 the micro credentials things apply here. 16:06.000 --> 16:08.000 That is not a new about that. 16:08.000 --> 16:11.000 Okay, anybody else? 16:11.000 --> 16:13.000 Go on down there from Ian. 16:13.000 --> 16:14.000 By the way, awesome. 16:14.000 --> 16:15.000 Awesome. 16:15.000 --> 16:16.000 T-shirt. 16:16.000 --> 16:17.000 Swatchet, you're wearing. 16:17.000 --> 16:18.000 Yeah, thank you. 16:18.000 --> 16:19.000 He's always that. 16:19.000 --> 16:20.000 Does anybody know he writes this blog? 16:20.000 --> 16:21.000 The feature is federated. 16:21.000 --> 16:22.000 I think it's put. 16:22.000 --> 16:23.000 It's a really good one. 16:23.000 --> 16:24.000 You should all be watching it. 16:24.000 --> 16:25.000 Sorry, Ian. 16:26.000 --> 16:29.000 So, yeah, I've, well, I saw this up for the forum. 16:29.000 --> 16:30.000 I was blown away. 16:30.000 --> 16:31.000 Yeah. 16:31.000 --> 16:32.000 And I was blown away. 16:32.000 --> 16:38.000 And I've been speaking to public service broadcasters who want to use this. 16:38.000 --> 16:44.000 And one of the things that they can be asking me is, could you combine this with some 16:44.000 --> 16:45.000 of the bridges? 16:45.000 --> 16:49.000 So then you could start to, obviously, on your profile, you could say, look, I've 16:49.000 --> 16:54.000 put it's badge, but also you can also push it forever as well. 16:54.000 --> 16:56.000 It seems like it should be possible. 16:56.000 --> 16:57.000 But it is possible. 16:57.000 --> 16:59.000 So I explore this in two different ways, right? 16:59.000 --> 17:01.000 So the implementation is very simple. 17:01.000 --> 17:04.000 Activity pop, plus open button, JSONLD, right? 17:04.000 --> 17:08.000 You can also take that simplicity and go to blue sky and say, hey, 17:08.000 --> 17:11.000 I will search for all the posts that have a link. 17:11.000 --> 17:14.000 And then I will check if the link has an open button. 17:14.000 --> 17:16.000 Well, you have this centralization there. 17:16.000 --> 17:20.000 And the other option is, like, I will create a whole taxonomy and stuff. 17:20.000 --> 17:22.000 And then in blue sky that nobody's going to support. 17:22.000 --> 17:26.000 And then I need to have 100 million of users creating an app that you'll 17:26.000 --> 17:27.000 say that. 17:27.000 --> 17:29.000 So you have these two extremes. 17:29.000 --> 17:32.000 It is something that is pending in my backlog. 17:32.000 --> 17:35.000 Mental backlog, but I am very bullish about Activity pop. 17:35.000 --> 17:36.000 So I want to go there. 17:36.000 --> 17:39.000 If there's a pay you, what the backlog is. 17:39.000 --> 17:41.000 That yeah, Monica resolves a lot of different things. 17:41.000 --> 17:43.000 Maybe not passion, but yeah, of course. 17:43.000 --> 17:44.000 We can try somewhere. 17:47.000 --> 17:49.000 Do we have any more questions from a heart? 17:50.000 --> 17:54.000 It is crazy to me that companies like big companies like Microsoft 17:54.000 --> 17:57.000 would like say the certifications incredibly. 17:57.000 --> 17:59.000 I mean, that is mind blowing. 17:59.000 --> 18:01.000 Like you need to have your own instance. 18:01.000 --> 18:04.000 So, but thank you very much. 18:04.000 --> 18:05.000 All right. Thank you very much. 18:05.000 --> 18:10.000 Thank you.