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Quietly, that would be great. We would like to get started with our next speaker in this room.

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This is a social web dev room. That falls then 2026.

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And I am really excited to have Benjamin Bellamy here to talk about amplifying our voices.

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And I assume, cast a port and hook casting and other things.

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But we will leave him to tell you his topics. Thank you, Benjamin.

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Thank you, Andy.

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Hi, everyone. Wow. So many people.

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So I am going to talk about the Fedivers, obviously, and a little bit on the podcasting.

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So first, I want to introduce myself. I am Benjamin Bellamy.

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I love podcast. I love first software.

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I am a business development manager for truly open source AI solution at Nina Goha, French company.

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I am a founder of the company Adorece, which develops open source tools for podcasters.

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I am the father of cast a pod and when I don't know what to do, I take picture for Wikipedia.

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And I am a member of the collective Wikipedia portraits.

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But enough talking about me. Let's talk about you.

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So who here is a developer?

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99%.

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Who is on the Fedivers?

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99.9.

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And who is a developer for the Fedivers?

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Yeah, like, almost 10%.

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So some values, you probably won't learn anything from me today.

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I think you know already everything.

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As many of you know, today is a critical day.

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We've been struggling for years to convince people and neighbors or family to move from the big text to open source,

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federated social networks and it's been hard, almost impossible.

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We need ways to promote that, but it's not easy.

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And there's this one guy who is helping us make it more easy to promote the Fedivers, to promote open source software,

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to help us explaining why that matters.

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And I think we should all here be grateful for the tremendous work he's doing to help us.

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Of course, you know who I'm talking about.

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His name Donald Trump.

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You didn't have to approach for that, thank you.

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So yeah, we know that big text.

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We call them gathams in France.

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They get cheaper.

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They control everything.

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They don't create a single content.

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They don't do anything.

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But they decide who is allowed to talk and who is not.

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So let's imagine a social network with no algorithm and not advertising tracking every move.

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So these are basically the main two issues that we have with the usual Twitter ex Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and everything.

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If you remove these two, then it's all good.

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And it was good at the beginning.

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One thing also that I would like to say is because why do people go to these big text social network is because it's where everyone is.

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But one thing you should know is that you are not a number.

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Who knows what this stands for?

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Recognize it?

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Yeah.

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We're all.

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Yeah.

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It's from the prisoner.

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So you are not a number.

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The content quality is not related to how many followers you have.

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Your happiness shouldn't be related to the number of likes you get.

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And the quality of culture does not rely on the numbers of shares.

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And that's something that's, it's very easy to forget these.

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But we have to remember like every day.

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So what became with all these big text network and platforms?

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There's this one book I read last year.

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It's basically the only book I read last year.

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But it was a very good one.

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It's called an institution from Korean doctoral.

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And basically the whole book is about this.

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When a platform emerged, there are three stages.

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First, it's tremendous.

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Excellent.

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Perfect.

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Brilliant.

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Merville.

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For everyone.

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And this is just like a trap to help the platform grow.

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And to get more users.

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So that's it can become sustainable.

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And then the second step is about using users for business customers.

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And then everyone for shareholders.

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But the thing that's I, I got from the, the whole book,

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the main, the key point, according to me is that if someone can make it worse, he will.

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And when you realize that, if you have the company has the power to make things worse for profit,

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obviously, they will.

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So eventually, your traps on the platform where quality is not good,

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your, you lost control.

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You lost control on your contents.

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You get like strikes and something like that.

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But everyone stays because everyone stays.

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That's resupid.

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But that's the reason.

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Everyone stays because everyone stays.

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So,

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geopolitical fragmentation, creating digital borders, of course, is a problem.

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We shouldn't be dependent on US or Chinese platform.

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Again, thanks Donald.

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Thanks to AI.

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Like the huge benefit from AI is now.

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We all know that our data are valuable.

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Before that, everyone used to say, yeah, I don't care.

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What will they do with my data?

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They're worthless.

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We know they are not worthless.

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They're very valuable.

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And even in the US, they are very reluctant to provide and to give all their data to big takes.

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And so now, European independence is very, very important for the future for us,

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but also for our children.

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So, the social web alternative.

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Obviously, you all know like 95% of you know activity pub.

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It became a standards in 2018, so like eight years ago.

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We have 25 million users and 20,000 instances on the Macedon mainly.

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What is really good and what I really appreciate on the Fediverse is that it's fairly federated.

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And you can have different platforms for different kind of contents.

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You can choose your server, keep your connection,

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and it's open source and community-driven.

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If you were there before hearing to a Macedon, you know that are ready.

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A terrible genius networks, so this is a very important part,

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because silos is what makes things ugly.

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And if you are able to follow users from another platform,

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this is what makes things really interesting.

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So, it's federated, but it's also federated across different kind of media.

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I'm quoting some of these, so Macedon, peer to pixel feds, mobiles,

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they have a talk later.

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All these can talk to each other.

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So, actually, the pub breaks silos.

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So, some limitations, though, because you have to know where you're going.

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So, it's complex, implementing activity pub can be cumbersome,

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especially if you want it to be compatible with everything, including MasterDone,

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which has its own way of talking activity pub after admit.

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Okay, the ability to challenge identity portability.

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It's not easy if you want to go from one instance to another to keep your identity.

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You can take your followers of some of your contents,

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but your identity, you lose it.

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It's like another one.

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You can say, I changed my identity, but you have to change it.

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And it's not easy to self-host.

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So, two alternatives to activity pub,

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80 protocol, which is the protocol developed by Blue Sky.

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So, it's much more complex, but it's more recent.

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So, I have some drawbacks and some advantages.

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There's a company behind.

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So, so far, so good, but who knows what it will become later.

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And it's highly concentrated as of today.

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Master, who is using Master here?

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Okay, not so many.

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There are some really good things on Master.

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Some things that I really like.

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Like the identity.

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On Master, your identity is your public key.

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So, you can move from one server to any other.

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It's your public key.

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So, you can move with your identity.

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So, that's something I really like.

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Bitcoin integration is something that I don't like,

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but you have the right to disagree.

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And it's not easy to understand how to get onboard.

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Master on is not easy, not stories on another level.

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Okay, and now I want to talk about the web 1.0.

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Who was here when the web 1.0 was invented?

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Oh, like 25%.

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We're not that old, actually.

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So, this was like before the big text.

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Back then, everything was federated.

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It was all about protocols and standard protocols.

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Nothing remains from these ancient times, except podcasting.

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Podcasting is relying on RSS, and it was like this almost 30 years ago,

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but still.

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Of course, podcasting is being attacked every day.

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The main threat is called YouTube.

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They call themselves YouTube podcasts.

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They are quotes here, because if it's on YouTube, it's not a podcast.

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They're trying to steal that word.

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If there is like a video, it can be a podcast,

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because a podcast is just an immediate enclosure with an RSS feed.

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So, the fact that there's a video doesn't forbid according to me,

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from being a podcast.

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But the fact that it's a silo, that you don't have any RSS feed,

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that it's like a black hole.

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Everything that gets in does not get out, makes it's YouTube,

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but not a podcast.

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So, podcasting did evolve a little bit since the last 30 years,

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in 2020.

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Some guys developed a new DTD, new fields,

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to enrich podcasting.

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And why am I talking about this?

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Because, among all these features,

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transcript chapters, some bids, value for value, person, location, etc.

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Two of them transcripts and chapters were implemented in 2024 and 2025.

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By Apple, Apple implemented something that was developed by a community

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and open source community.

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So, this should remind us that innovation doesn't need gatekeepers,

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that we, as a community, as an open source community,

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we can move walls, we can make things change.

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If it's good enough, if it works, eventually it can prevail.

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Oops.

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Okay, so a word about cast supports.

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So, as I said, at the very first slide,

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I'm the father of cast support, which is an open source podcast hosting platform,

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on the Fedivers.

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It has activity per native integration from day one.

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It's been recorded, so expect some new features in the next week's month.

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The podcast is a Fedivers, an activity per actor,

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and so you can like, comment, and we share an episode from your feed.

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And this is very important to us, because the RSS allows the creators

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to keep control on their content and activity per,

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allows the creators to keep control on their community.

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And the relationships between the creator and the audience.

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If you go to a big tech social media, if you're using Apple podcasts,

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if you get banned, you lose everything, the content disappears,

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and all the interaction that you had disappear.

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So, thanks to activity per, you keep control on these.

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These are some of the features that cast support implements.

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So, I'm going to read them one by one, no, I'm not.

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So, one thing that's important in the end is that some of us are

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creative content are just for fun.

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I am some of us are creating content for living.

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At some point, if we want a solution to work,

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there's need to be some monetization somewhere, either advertising,

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because it's not a bad word.

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If it doesn't steal your personal data,

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it can be like tipping, subscription,

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but you need to be able to provide ways to monetize.

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Some people in the audience are working for interledger and

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web monetization, I guess.

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That's a very good solution.

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Cryptocurrency is another one, which personally,

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I don't like for many reasons, but anyway,

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you have to be open to the needs of the people you are talking to.

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And now, I wanted to do a demo, but I was told that

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it's PDF only.

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So, just some screenshots.

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So, this is a podcast.

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It's a very good one if you speak French.

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It's mine.

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And you can see here an episode,

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and someone who posted a comment,

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basically about my co-hosts who is saying stupid things

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and too bad for him.

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And thank you to our listeners.

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And the comments goes back to the podcast.

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So, this is the podcast hosting platform.

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Here, we can see the same message,

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but on MasterDont on the frame of soft instance.

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Here, very nice pictures taken by me,

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on my PixelFed account,

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PixelFed.Social.

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And here, the same bets on MasterDont.

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So, you can see content from one platform to another.

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So, now you know everything.

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Where do you start?

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So, you can go to join the Fediverse.net,

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or join Fediverse.Wiki, or Fediverse.Party.

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And you will find instances tutorials

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how to start going to the Fediverse,

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and how to explain to others family neighbors

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how to start on the Fediverse.

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And of course, join MasterDont.org.

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And of course,

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MasterDont.org.

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And I think that's it.

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Oh, no, one thing.

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There's this really nice article that I wrote

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on the European Open Source Academy magazine.

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It was published yesterday, I guess.

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And it's about discovery with that world garden.

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So, basically, stuff that I talked about today.

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And that's it for me.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Before taking some questions, one other thing.

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We just published a new script

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that allows you to install a customer on the server.

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I tested it on Ubuntu, Debian, and FEDOHA.

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You can go to blog.casiper.org

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then there's an article explaining everything.

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I also should tell you, never, ever, to occur.

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Yeah, I could do.

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I was going to say, we all have a untrusty

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Cal script directly.

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Cal install directly for the internet.

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James.

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No.

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Yeah.

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Somebody had a question.

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Hi.

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I love cast-a-pot.

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I have a podcast.

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I've had a podcast for a long time.

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I literally just started a new podcast.

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And I was looking at a cast-a-pot again.

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And while it struggles I have, as I host,

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I could host cast-a-pot.

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I got a bunch of ratty pies.

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I've got a static IP.

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But I'm worried about bandwidth.

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And I'm worried about all of that stuff.

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So I looked at, also, do it through cast-a-pot.

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The main site.

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And I have to say it was just a bit too expensive.

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So is there a way to just...

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So I put my podcast on archive.org, for example,

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and just link it in.

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It doesn't seem like there's a way to do that.

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I don't have to do it in RSS,

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but it doesn't seem to possible in cast-a-pot.

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So I look confused.

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I'm not trying to understand it.

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Okay.

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So right now, I want to...

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So a bit of RSS is that you can link the podcast

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to another location.

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But the actual RSS...

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The actual content is somewhere else.

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But the RSS is hosted by me in cast-a-pot, for example.

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But it doesn't seem possible in cast-a-pot to do that,

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because I'm worried about bandwidth.

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For cast-a-pot,

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we try to...

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now, or the needs,

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like to...

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the most common thing.

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So everything is at the same place.

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You can use like a CDN, or you can use a three.

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But in the end, we need access to the files,

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to be able to modify the ID3 MP3 tags.

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So it would be too complicated to have this so far.

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But if enough people are asking for it, open an issue,

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and maybe someone will do it.

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But I have to say,

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we're not...

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it's not on our roadmap.

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That's something we already heard,

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but not often enough.

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I forgot to say one rule.

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If you ask a question, two rules.

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It has to be a question,

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and it's one question.

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Otherwise, my memory doesn't...

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My heap size is only one question.

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So I'm on the way.

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I'm also doing work on non-noted objects,

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in the favorors,

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and also how's the customer instance,

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which is publicly available.

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And the question is,

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could you maybe go to slide 20?

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To illustrate,

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to make the question sustainable for everyone.

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Because I think,

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there,

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get me if I'm wrong,

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you oversimplified something,

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and basically what you're doing here

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is you're sharing a note,

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which reference a link to the actual podcast episode.

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And I want to get your thoughts.

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Are you happy with the state?

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No, maybe.

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Want to improve it?

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Why do you make this decision that way?

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So quick answer,

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no.

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When we started working on that six years ago,

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we had the discussion,

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and it was very vivid.

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I'm stereo.

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We didn't know if you wanted to create a new message type,

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or to use the existing ones.

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And back then,

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we didn't know if the project would last a month.

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So we decided to use the formats from MasterDone,

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because this was where all the users were.

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So we wanted them to be able to actually

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like see the message and repost it.

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But now,

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I think it's maturing up,

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so that we can create new message type,

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dedicated to podcasts.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah, question.

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Going back to the advertising topic you mentioned.

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Don't you think this is possible to find a responsible way

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for doing advertising?

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What?

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Responsible way.

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The publicity responsibility.

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Yes.

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I do think it is.

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Actually, this was the first mission for the company

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and the company,

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the company and the company.

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That's me and my partner story,

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which we call and still call.

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It's contextual monetization.

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Because, like if you're listening to radio fonts,

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and you're listening to podcasts from a

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are totally unrelated because they just take the money from the pockets who have

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some money in it, and it's totally unrelated, and podcasting is a very cultural product,

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so it should be easy.

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The thing is, and the thing that we didn't manage to do as a successful test is you need

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to have a large amount of content, and the large amounts of an unsurced advertisers.

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I got the mic, so I'll get it, I get it as the question.

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My question is about digital sovereignty, which we led with a lot, and podcasting.

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How do you connect those two together?

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What's the case for digital sovereignty for, say, European podcasters?

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Digital sovereignty for podcasting?

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The thing is, with podcasting, it's very easy to be sovereign or to be autonomous, because

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you can host your content wherever you want, you can listen to it wherever you want, and

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there are many indexes, so I'm using podcasting.org, which is open source, open data, but

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there are others, so it's exactly the web 1.0, which when everything was still sovereign.

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What are the new features, it did to activity purposes, in the upcoming 2.0 release?

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You have to ask yes indirectly.

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But basically, the thing about activity purposes, implementation and cost support, so it's

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like six years old, back then we weren't as experts as we are now, so it needs some

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recording.

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My question is, are there already enough people asking for working hashtags?

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I am asking for hashtags, so yeah, enough.

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Okay, I think we're going to call that one, and then we have a gap for 10 minutes,

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but Benjamin, thank you so much, round of applause, please everybody, one more final word

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from the stage.

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Thank you, everyone.

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Tomorrow at noon, I'll be doing another talk about a new project that we have at the

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home, which is called Pod Libre, and which is like a podcast editing software for your laptop.

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Oh, very good.

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And we have some stickers here, please take some stickers, I don't want to bring them back

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to Paris.

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Okay, again there's a sticker table over here, if anybody have stickers to share or want

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to collect stickers, I've heard the whispers, you're wondering about the t-shirt and

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wearing United Federation of the Fedivers, that is from Leo, you can get that on his space

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fund store.

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There's a really cool, if you search for awesome Fedy merch, there's a really cool

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coper repo with like links to people that sell stickers and t-shirts and things.

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If you want to wrap your favorite Fedy projects or the whole Fedivers, then you can do that.

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We have about a 10 minute break at this point, so if I can go grab a coffee refreshments,

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you can go grab a coffee refreshments, you can go grab a coffee refreshments, you can go grab a coffee