WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.000 Good morning for them. 00:07.000 --> 00:13.000 We'll now are getting ready for a talk by Alesh. 00:13.000 --> 00:18.000 I would kindly ask you if you could sit closer to the middle. 00:18.000 --> 00:25.000 So newcomers can have an easier time in sitting. 00:25.000 --> 00:29.000 Thank you. 00:30.000 --> 00:34.000 I was as reference to this as defragmentation, 00:34.000 --> 00:39.000 which I think is very appropriate. 00:43.000 --> 00:45.000 Thank you. 01:00.000 --> 01:03.000 Okay. 01:03.000 --> 01:05.000 Are you ready? 01:05.000 --> 01:08.000 So we'll be having Alesh Paul, 01:08.000 --> 01:10.000 a current president of KDE, 01:10.000 --> 01:13.000 talking about the challenges 01:13.000 --> 01:17.000 and his rear of KDE after 30 years, 01:17.000 --> 01:19.000 almost 30 years. 01:19.000 --> 01:23.000 So please give him warm welcome. 01:24.000 --> 01:28.000 Sure. 01:28.000 --> 01:30.000 As you say. 01:30.000 --> 01:32.000 Yeah, thank you very much. 01:32.000 --> 01:35.000 I am really glad to be here with you today 01:35.000 --> 01:40.000 because what Faustam is always a big opportunity for us 01:40.000 --> 01:44.000 free server communities to get together. 01:44.000 --> 01:49.000 When thinking about what to do this year, 01:50.000 --> 01:52.000 I wanted to say me, but it wasn't really me. 01:52.000 --> 01:55.000 It was Albert's idea that we could talk about 01:55.000 --> 01:58.000 on 30th anniversary. 01:58.000 --> 02:02.000 Throughout the year, we will be doing different events 02:02.000 --> 02:06.000 and activities explaining about 02:06.000 --> 02:08.000 celebrating anniversary. 02:08.000 --> 02:12.000 And I guess that at least for me, this is my first 02:12.000 --> 02:14.000 stepping stone. 02:14.000 --> 02:17.000 Our anniversary is going to be October and this year. 02:18.000 --> 02:21.000 And actually this is what my talk is going to be about. 02:21.000 --> 02:26.000 Normally my background is in the software development 02:26.000 --> 02:28.000 and that's normally what I talk about, 02:28.000 --> 02:30.000 about things that have been working on, 02:30.000 --> 02:33.000 specifically about that feature and so on. 02:33.000 --> 02:36.000 But this is not the talk we're going to have today. 02:36.000 --> 02:38.000 I hope you're fine with that. 02:38.000 --> 02:41.000 What I wanted to talk today about is 02:41.000 --> 02:44.000 to reflect a little bit on these years of KDE 02:44.000 --> 02:46.000 of how it has worked. 02:46.000 --> 02:50.000 Obviously, when KDE started, I was in middle school 02:50.000 --> 02:52.000 and completely unaware, not only about what 02:52.000 --> 02:55.000 this was, but so world together. 02:55.000 --> 02:59.000 But well, here we are, these days. 02:59.000 --> 03:02.000 Yes. 03:02.000 --> 03:06.000 So I don't want to give you the weird boring talk about. 03:06.000 --> 03:10.000 And in 1997 happened this and that. 03:10.000 --> 03:13.000 But I think that we still need to go back to the very 03:13.000 --> 03:15.000 beginning, the announcement. 03:15.000 --> 03:18.000 This is the subject of the email if you put this text online. 03:18.000 --> 03:21.000 You will get it quickly. 03:21.000 --> 03:26.000 New scrap channel for Linux in Germany in 1996. 03:26.000 --> 03:29.000 So about 30 years ago from Matthias, 03:29.000 --> 03:33.000 where he said, I want to work on this thing. 03:33.000 --> 03:35.000 I called the Cool Derset of Environment. 03:35.000 --> 03:38.000 And these are the things I would like to be working on. 03:38.000 --> 03:42.000 His vision originally was quite. 03:42.000 --> 03:47.000 I put on the ground in that he saw that a lot of technologies 03:47.000 --> 03:52.000 were getting in place for. 03:52.000 --> 03:56.000 Well, whoever to put together. 03:56.000 --> 03:59.000 User experience for for Linux that was graphical, 03:59.000 --> 04:00.000 that was accessible. 04:00.000 --> 04:03.000 I think that he mentioned something on the lens of. 04:03.000 --> 04:05.000 I want my girlfriend to be able to use Linux, 04:05.000 --> 04:07.000 and it's not really ready. 04:07.000 --> 04:11.000 So how can I sit down and work on that together? 04:11.000 --> 04:14.000 Well, at this point, he saw that there was this cute thing 04:14.000 --> 04:15.000 flat around. 04:15.000 --> 04:17.000 It looked like it could do the job. 04:17.000 --> 04:19.000 So he started connecting the dots. 04:19.000 --> 04:25.000 And I'm sure doing a big ton of work to make it happen. 04:25.000 --> 04:27.000 This was only the kickstart of the project. 04:27.000 --> 04:29.000 Obviously, a lot happened. 04:29.000 --> 04:33.000 Especially in the first years, if you look at the 04:33.000 --> 04:36.000 history, you see that a lot of the things that we're still using 04:36.000 --> 04:38.000 nowadays happened early on. 04:38.000 --> 04:41.000 And well, we've been doing a lot of maintaining and enhancing 04:41.000 --> 04:44.000 all of that, but still interesting to see, like, for example, 04:44.000 --> 04:49.000 our well-incomposator, like you saw on the last talk. 04:49.000 --> 04:52.000 It was one of the components that Mattias started back then. 04:52.000 --> 04:54.000 And it has changed a lot. 04:54.000 --> 04:57.000 Many maintainers, many developers have passed through it. 04:57.000 --> 05:01.000 And well, broken and fixed it over time. 05:01.000 --> 05:05.000 But yeah, it's this legacy. 05:06.000 --> 05:10.000 One more vision perspective, well, 05:10.000 --> 05:13.000 we've been trying to enhance it, for example, 05:13.000 --> 05:16.000 we don't talk about cool desktop environment anymore. 05:16.000 --> 05:19.000 Not because we're not cool, but probably we're not 05:19.000 --> 05:23.000 cool enough to pull off cool with a K like that. 05:23.000 --> 05:29.000 So eventually, we came up, well, now we're just gay, 05:29.000 --> 05:31.000 it's not an acronym anymore. 05:31.000 --> 05:32.000 We're not a desktop environment. 05:32.000 --> 05:36.000 Desktop is also deprecated concept in many aspects, 05:36.000 --> 05:40.000 like not many of us are using desktop computers anymore. 05:40.000 --> 05:43.000 We still call laptops to the computers, and then we have phones, 05:43.000 --> 05:46.000 and we have convertibles, and all of that. 05:46.000 --> 05:49.000 And all of these are things that we're trying to tackle. 05:49.000 --> 05:53.000 But so yeah, and also not our desktop is not called 05:53.000 --> 05:55.000 Kd anymore, like everyone know. 05:55.000 --> 05:58.000 It's called Plasma these days. 05:59.000 --> 06:02.000 Yeah, Kd is the community that we are doing. 06:02.000 --> 06:08.000 And ask Kd, but this is our official vision this days. 06:08.000 --> 06:12.000 A well in which everyone has control over their digital life, 06:12.000 --> 06:14.000 and enjoy freedom and privacy. 06:14.000 --> 06:20.000 These are the topics that we want to address when we work on 06:20.000 --> 06:26.000 our different products, and quality experience quite well, 06:26.000 --> 06:28.000 and what we are about. 06:28.000 --> 06:32.000 If you're interested about on this, we have a thoroughly 06:32.000 --> 06:35.000 explained on our many week is with strategy, 06:35.000 --> 06:38.000 admissions, statements, and all of that. 06:38.000 --> 06:44.000 But we are a lot of contributors, though, who sit down, 06:44.000 --> 06:50.000 and put together a bunch of cool software with C this time. 06:50.000 --> 06:55.000 Trying to zoom out a little bit and think about what this 06:55.000 --> 06:56.000 has been about. 06:56.000 --> 06:59.000 I tried to put it together in a timeline. 06:59.000 --> 07:01.000 It's very sparse. 07:01.000 --> 07:04.000 It doesn't really try to be complete at all, 07:04.000 --> 07:08.000 but I thought still would make sense to give it some context. 07:08.000 --> 07:14.000 So when Matthias started working on that cool desktop environment, 07:14.000 --> 07:18.000 people outside the Linux world were using Windows 95, 07:18.000 --> 07:20.000 Windows Linux itself was just starting, 07:20.000 --> 07:23.000 Linux started in 1990, right? 07:23.000 --> 07:29.000 And when we see a bit of the pictures of what it looked like back then, 07:29.000 --> 07:34.000 it was quite reminiscent of all of that. 07:34.000 --> 07:37.000 And we've been evolving over time. 07:37.000 --> 07:40.000 On the very beginning, for example, we started putting a lot of effort 07:40.000 --> 07:44.000 in making sure that all of the foundations were ready. 07:44.000 --> 07:50.000 Obviously, KD has also evolved alongside the internet. 07:50.000 --> 07:54.000 Back then, it wasn't what it is today, even though, if you think about it, 07:54.000 --> 07:59.000 like many of the, like it resembles it a lot, but it obviously has 07:59.000 --> 08:03.000 has exploded in complexity quite a bit. 08:03.000 --> 08:09.000 One of these big components that started in the first year was 08:09.000 --> 08:15.000 KDML that famously became webkit over time. 08:15.000 --> 08:21.000 Yeah, something that we have to offer to humanity, I guess, at this point. 08:21.000 --> 08:27.000 And yeah, it's free software because of KD, not because of anything else. 08:27.000 --> 08:32.000 But for us, the important part wasn't, in any case, all of these smaller components 08:32.000 --> 08:36.000 for us, the important thing was what we were delivering to the user, 08:36.000 --> 08:41.000 much like when Matthias started, Matthias didn't start working on it, 08:41.000 --> 08:43.000 at least as far as I understand. 08:43.000 --> 08:47.000 I don't think I've ever met Matthias. 08:47.000 --> 08:53.000 To have a cool web rendering engine or a cool, I don't know, 08:53.000 --> 09:03.000 email client, what he wanted was an environment, a place where, like, one could, 09:03.000 --> 09:08.000 well, with your computer and start using Linux, and we have the 09:08.000 --> 09:13.000 idea of thinking, oh, I need to use these weird things because I really like 09:13.000 --> 09:16.000 this software, right? 09:16.000 --> 09:20.000 Software this talk, I did a little bit the exercise of going through more 09:20.000 --> 09:25.000 mostly Wikipedia and chasing after the different screenshots. 09:25.000 --> 09:29.000 This is version of KD100. 09:29.000 --> 09:33.000 Something that I always find interesting when I'm talking to the, 09:33.000 --> 09:39.000 what we call the dinosaurs, from back then, is that, like, they always find 09:39.000 --> 09:45.000 very specific differences between 1000 and 0.1 and 0.3 and this kind of stuff. 09:45.000 --> 09:51.000 Well, again, I was in a different universe at those times. 09:51.000 --> 09:57.000 But, well, if we look at it, I think that is something that is already quite familiar. 09:57.000 --> 10:01.000 Obviously, everything is super pixelated, but I think it's a 10:01.000 --> 10:06.000 sort of an environment that we could start using any of us today and be 10:06.000 --> 10:11.000 moderately happy. 10:11.000 --> 10:16.000 So, there's a dinosaur speaking over here. 10:16.000 --> 10:18.000 Right. 10:18.000 --> 10:22.000 So, well, this was the one, then the two. 10:22.000 --> 10:28.000 This was our mascot for a while until, well, we upgraded into a dragon, 10:28.000 --> 10:31.000 which is always better than any humans. 10:31.000 --> 10:35.000 And Gandalf. 10:35.000 --> 10:39.000 This was three, actually, this was the first, I used, then I started 10:39.000 --> 10:44.000 contributing with, depending on how you think about it, 10:44.000 --> 10:47.000 you could say it hasn't changed much, but it also has changed a lot. 10:47.000 --> 10:52.000 You can see, all of the graphical elements are much more polished, 10:52.000 --> 10:56.000 but the components, the concepts remain. 10:56.000 --> 11:04.000 Also, Katie 3, we had one of our biggest changes, at least when it comes to 11:04.000 --> 11:07.000 a desktop, which was we created Plasma. 11:07.000 --> 11:13.000 Plasma was created in a, well, other moment in history that was also very specific, 11:13.000 --> 11:19.000 very much related to how Nokia decided for some time that 11:19.000 --> 11:24.000 Lynx was cool and kid was cool and all of us were cool. 11:24.000 --> 11:30.000 And this started working on a ton of technologies that, well, many of them we embraced. 11:30.000 --> 11:34.000 And this was what it looked back then. 11:34.000 --> 11:43.000 I think we can also, again, definitely see big change on how things are presented and how things look. 11:43.000 --> 11:47.000 But yeah, it's also so shows it's time. 11:47.000 --> 11:53.000 Maybe it feels more modern to me because I used that one much more than any of the others. 11:53.000 --> 11:57.000 But I guess you can see that too. 11:57.000 --> 12:01.000 Here we can see, for example, a lot of more of graphical, 12:01.000 --> 12:07.000 well, vectored graphics, we can see a lot of shadow and stuff. 12:07.000 --> 12:16.000 That's also after there was the graphic revolution, if you want, like we are already relying on. 12:16.000 --> 12:21.000 OpenGL being present and properly accelerated and this kind of stuff, right? 12:21.000 --> 12:30.000 And this was then plus my five, which is the one that we were running until a couple of years back. 12:30.000 --> 12:33.000 This is one of the last screenshots. 12:33.000 --> 12:38.000 I guess that we can say that it's quite even similar that we have today. 12:38.000 --> 12:43.000 This was plus my six at the very, I think it was six zero, this one. 12:43.000 --> 12:48.000 But yeah, what we can see is that it's a lot of similar concepts that have been polished, 12:48.000 --> 12:56.000 that have been mastered over the years and that have made more accessible. 12:56.000 --> 13:01.000 All of these using a computer to each one of us. 13:01.000 --> 13:04.000 Here, I've only been showing, for example, only that stops. 13:04.000 --> 13:09.000 We have also grown, you access for phones for weird kind of devices. 13:09.000 --> 13:12.000 We're going to go into that a little bit later. 13:12.000 --> 13:17.000 But obviously it's not just the, it's not just the desktop environment. 13:17.000 --> 13:20.000 You need to be able to do things with your computer and with the desktop environment. 13:20.000 --> 13:25.000 You cannot really do that unless you, well, had the web browser. 13:25.000 --> 13:27.000 That could be also a thing. 13:27.000 --> 13:35.000 But we've been working on a ton of applications and frameworks to give an idea of how many applications 13:35.000 --> 13:37.000 and stuff we have going on. 13:37.000 --> 13:44.000 Let's try to put them together here in this weird. 13:53.000 --> 13:54.000 It's all right. 13:54.000 --> 13:55.000 It's working. 13:55.000 --> 13:56.000 No, it's working. 13:56.000 --> 13:58.000 Yes. 13:58.000 --> 14:01.000 So, we have a ton of applications. 14:01.000 --> 14:07.000 So, if you have any need for, well, solving any specific problem, 14:07.000 --> 14:13.000 you can probably find the tool today within our umbrella, the KDM umbrella. 14:13.000 --> 14:18.000 And if it's not there, you can always like pitch in and put something together. 14:18.000 --> 14:24.000 So, I think that I always remember that was quite nice when I started in KD. 14:25.000 --> 14:31.000 I started working with the educational suite, KD Edu, with an application that I started working 14:31.000 --> 14:34.000 because I wanted to learn random things. 14:34.000 --> 14:41.000 And my first, was more meeting I, it was, KD Edu's brain that we did in Paris. 14:41.000 --> 14:48.000 And then I met the, the calcium original author and he was chemistry teacher. 14:48.000 --> 14:55.000 And he said, yeah, I am was teaching chemistry and I didn't know how to interact with it 14:55.000 --> 14:59.000 and show it to my students, so I thought it could be cool to make an application. 14:59.000 --> 15:01.000 How cool is that, right? 15:01.000 --> 15:04.000 You don't need to have a whole industry around you. 15:04.000 --> 15:07.000 You're going to sit down and start putting to that if something. 15:07.000 --> 15:12.000 Also, on today's perspective, maybe it's not even that much. 15:12.000 --> 15:17.000 We have this kind of accessibility quite granted. 15:17.000 --> 15:21.000 But back then, even more, right? 15:21.000 --> 15:30.000 Delivering your application, your systems to, well, internationally was much harder. 15:30.000 --> 15:35.000 We didn't have all of the infrastructure that we have today. 15:35.000 --> 15:38.000 And yeah, we need to have a waste of that. 15:38.000 --> 15:43.000 Obviously, all of that, it's not trivial to make, right? 15:43.000 --> 15:45.000 That's why I mentioned the frameworks. 15:45.000 --> 15:54.000 The frameworks are basically components that we use to share concepts throughout all of these applications, including cute. 15:54.000 --> 16:02.000 And yeah, make our life a little bit simpler and easier as we can, because that's kind of what it is about, right? 16:02.000 --> 16:09.000 Like, when we talk about free and open software, we talk about sharing, we talk about collaborating. 16:09.000 --> 16:14.000 And one of the best ways to collaborate is to technical means, right? 16:14.000 --> 16:22.000 Because as they say, collaboration can be also a selfish thing or sharing, right? 16:22.000 --> 16:25.000 And that's somewhat what we do. 16:25.000 --> 16:31.000 So, I think that now would be a bit interesting to think a little bit about, like, 16:31.000 --> 16:36.000 we've been talking about all of the things that we've been putting forward all of the different products. 16:36.000 --> 16:38.000 But, like, how do you make it happen? 16:38.000 --> 16:47.000 Do you move from that guy who was in the university to being in 20, 30 years ago to what we are today? 16:47.000 --> 16:54.000 Where we have our product in different hardware lines across the globe. 16:54.000 --> 16:57.000 We have people also working on it. 16:57.000 --> 17:00.000 I don't know, in Asia, in Africa, in Europe, right? 17:00.000 --> 17:01.000 America. 17:01.000 --> 17:03.000 So, how does that happen? 17:03.000 --> 17:09.000 One of our most important aspects, especially on the technical level, has been killed. 17:09.000 --> 17:14.000 It has been component that we've been using since the very beginning. 17:14.000 --> 17:19.000 In the very beginning, because, well, Matthias needed something to get started. 17:19.000 --> 17:25.000 If he had had to start putting together a ticket, he would probably still be doing it. 17:25.000 --> 17:29.000 And he would have gotten distracted with something else. 17:30.000 --> 17:41.000 But there was a library that he could start using and starting producing while a user experience for the while geared to whatever he wanted, right? 17:41.000 --> 17:47.000 Another important thing for us for cute has been, like I said earlier, we've been, 17:47.000 --> 17:52.000 well, there's a person waving there, sorry. 17:53.000 --> 17:59.000 Cute has been evolving with the industry, they have their own needs, all the industry has its own needs, 17:59.000 --> 18:04.000 and they have been putting together a ton of very interesting technology. 18:04.000 --> 18:11.000 We have been using it when they started getting interested in hardware accelerated graphics. 18:11.000 --> 18:14.000 We got infrastructure to do hardware accelerated graphics. 18:14.000 --> 18:22.000 When they wanted adaptable UIs, we got infrastructure to be able to put adaptable UIs. 18:22.000 --> 18:33.000 And we've been working together since today, you have many KD developers that are very well integrated into the cute project and vice versa. 18:33.000 --> 18:41.000 We have the foundation as well called the KD for cute foundation, that make sure that cute remains free software as much as possible. 18:41.000 --> 18:46.000 And then we can always continue to rely on it, which is super important, right? 18:46.000 --> 18:54.000 It was a problem in the beginning, in fact, about how some people didn't really like the licenses that cute had. 18:54.000 --> 19:05.000 It was something that was worked out, and it has worked since we still have cute as free software and used all over. 19:05.000 --> 19:13.000 And having all of these work and components slowly getting in place has meant that we have been able to get contributors, 19:13.000 --> 19:20.000 good and contributors who wanted to work on the different things, everything, obviously, that we developed is in the open. 19:20.000 --> 19:31.000 And people when they feel like, well, they want to start having an impact or making maybe solving a problem. 19:31.000 --> 19:37.000 But KD suddenly becomes a good place where to do that, because you don't have to figure out everything else. 19:37.000 --> 19:43.000 You just need to solve the problem that you have, and then you have everything else, but the problem you had. 19:43.000 --> 19:51.000 Also, nothing super novel, but something that is very important in free software communities, and also not for granted for sure. 19:51.000 --> 20:00.000 All of that has been happening, like I said, in the open, mostly, and these changes over time always, but through a million reasons, 20:00.000 --> 20:06.000 chat is where we do a lot of our talking, started being more mailing list, I guess. 20:06.000 --> 20:15.000 And it's becoming more chat, more and more, both have pros, both have cons, and for sure, both of them are very present. 20:15.000 --> 20:23.000 I wrote VCS as in version control systems here, because we have definitely changed how we use this a lot. 20:23.000 --> 20:37.000 Actually, if we go back to the timeline I wrote earlier, we would be able to come up with a whole different one with our VCS, we started with CVS, which was the one that was used. 20:37.000 --> 20:45.000 In the 90s, I guess, I never even really thought this one, or at least not in any serious way. 20:45.000 --> 20:53.000 Katie was using subversion between 2015, I would say, which worked quite well. 20:53.000 --> 20:58.000 It was a humongous big repository where everybody worked together. 20:58.000 --> 21:06.000 It was working fine, but it was kind of hard doing feature work and all of that things that we take for granted nowadays with Git. 21:06.000 --> 21:13.000 We're using it, we start using more of a naked-git thing together with a particular fabricator. 21:13.000 --> 21:19.000 And in this we're using GitLab, which is used and known by many of you, I'm sure. 21:19.000 --> 21:24.000 So if you're familiar with all of this tooling, you can already count that you're counting yourself, 21:24.000 --> 21:31.000 as how far into into Katie, and if you want to contribute, I'm sure you will feel at home in no time. 21:32.000 --> 21:41.000 Our communication with our users has been largely happening throughout Godzilla, butzilla being the tool we use to get tickets and back reports. 21:41.000 --> 21:47.000 Obviously, our users are always in also engaged throughout the channel, the chat throughout the mailing list. 21:47.000 --> 21:54.000 But Godzilla is how we report those tickets and it's very much still today. 21:54.000 --> 22:00.000 But the tool we use to do most of that. 22:00.000 --> 22:10.000 Yeah, we've been talking a lot about the user-visible products, but I guess I already went through it. 22:10.000 --> 22:13.000 We've been working on on the kitty frameworks. 22:13.000 --> 22:21.000 We have several services that have also popped over the time because they are necessary to keep going down as well. 22:21.000 --> 22:30.000 One example would be the embaloo, who is the one we use to index files, but it's something that happens. 22:30.000 --> 22:41.000 It's not really a framework, although we have a framework called like that, which is how we, how an application would interact with it, etc. 22:41.000 --> 22:49.000 And yes, like I was saying a little bit earlier, we could see how the graphics change. 22:49.000 --> 22:53.000 The graphics change doesn't happen on a vacuum though. 22:53.000 --> 22:58.000 You need to reshape and rethink a lot how you are. 22:58.000 --> 23:04.000 I discussed earlier how we started being the coolest environment that we were the Katie environment. 23:04.000 --> 23:09.000 We used to have Katie releases, we don't have Katie releases, we have these days. 23:09.000 --> 23:12.000 Applications releases that happen every now and then. 23:12.000 --> 23:17.000 We have plasma releases that happen every now and then and they're not entirely the same. 23:17.000 --> 23:23.000 Because something that is important to us is that also our applications don't need to be used in plasma. 23:23.000 --> 23:29.000 You can use your applications if you use different little steps up, you can use our applications if you are. 23:29.000 --> 23:38.000 On a proprietary operating system because life is not always as easy as we would like, but. 23:38.000 --> 23:46.000 We are working together obviously our applications many of them will integrate better on our. 23:46.000 --> 23:49.000 System but that's not granted. 23:49.000 --> 23:56.000 And what it is granted it's not necessary that you need to use it to use the applications. 23:56.000 --> 24:05.000 But in any case what we've been working towards is building this trust building working with our user understanding what the problems are and trying to solve them. 24:05.000 --> 24:08.000 There's been especially on the last few years. 24:08.000 --> 24:16.000 We've been doing a lot of work towards making it possible for for users to have their needs met. 24:16.000 --> 24:19.000 Something that if we think about. 24:19.000 --> 24:21.000 What has changed. 24:21.000 --> 24:30.000 Computing or at least like personal computing over the last few years is that we started doing a lot of making systems that. 24:30.000 --> 24:34.000 What you can do anything you want right in the 90s. 24:34.000 --> 24:39.000 2000s you wanted a computer that can do anything and the sky is the limit. 24:39.000 --> 24:45.000 And we've been transitioning towards systems that are excellent at doing the kind of things you do with a. 24:45.000 --> 24:57.000 And we've been taking this by kd is coming up with very flexible solutions like plasma. 24:57.000 --> 25:00.000 For example, today you can run it on different form factors. 25:00.000 --> 25:06.000 You can run plasma on I don't know mobile phone that's up a laptop. 25:06.000 --> 25:11.000 But then when you are on this form factors make sure that. 25:12.000 --> 25:17.000 You have a policy you have a good experience, which is ultimately what is important to us. 25:17.000 --> 25:22.000 We want our users to be happy not to have all of the bells and whistles. 25:22.000 --> 25:27.000 Although at times we do get doesn't whistles because who doesn't like a bell and whistle. 25:27.000 --> 25:33.000 Also our users have grown and I don't mean here that they're eating a lot. 25:33.000 --> 25:36.000 What I mean is that we have. 25:36.000 --> 25:41.000 But more and more of them also people are using today probably. 25:41.000 --> 25:46.000 Our software in more high stakes environments kind of things. 25:46.000 --> 25:51.000 It's important that we respect and follow that as well right. 25:51.000 --> 25:54.000 And the industry also is entirely changed. 25:54.000 --> 25:58.000 Also the industry was more about like making sure you can do anything. 25:58.000 --> 26:01.000 30 years back than it is today. 26:01.000 --> 26:03.000 Also the hardware have changed a lot. 26:03.000 --> 26:07.000 I'm going to try to go through that a little bit. 26:07.000 --> 26:11.000 And also our people have changed right. 26:11.000 --> 26:18.000 Like most of the people back in 30 years ago now we call them dinosaurs and we don't call them dinosaurs because we're mean. 26:18.000 --> 26:26.000 But because often they decide to move on to different things and new people will come and new ideas are going to come. 26:26.000 --> 26:32.000 But that's also has been one of the big reasons why Katie has remained. 26:32.000 --> 26:42.000 We have been able to work together all of us and like with our big disruptions continue providing value to our users and to ourselves as well. 26:42.000 --> 26:46.000 And and respect each other which is so very important. 26:46.000 --> 26:50.000 And to do that while meetings have been a very important aspect of it all. 26:50.000 --> 26:53.000 This is the first meeting that. 26:53.000 --> 26:59.000 Katie did I think that this was 1997 and obviously cameras weren't very good by then. 26:59.000 --> 27:01.000 But. 27:01.000 --> 27:04.000 Well, too close already kicking hands I see. 27:04.000 --> 27:06.000 But in any case. 27:06.000 --> 27:08.000 We've been. 27:08.000 --> 27:11.000 Meeting more and more this was our academy meeting. 27:11.000 --> 27:14.000 Glass summer in Berlin. 27:14.000 --> 27:21.000 Academy is the conference that we do every year like the then we saw before this wasn't called the Academy yet. 27:22.000 --> 27:26.000 But that's what it evolved into. 27:26.000 --> 27:33.000 We're working on having academy this summer in grads so if any of you want to come you're welcome to. 27:33.000 --> 27:47.000 Maybe I didn't mention it explicitly enough but if you want to be part of any aspect of Katie you're more than welcome to you just have to like find the the right mailing list or chat room to be here and say hi and we. 27:47.000 --> 27:49.000 We will welcome you. 27:49.000 --> 27:58.000 So we have to kind of events we have academy that is more of a conference not all that unlike here obviously much smaller as you can see here. 27:58.000 --> 28:07.000 Where we do talks we do presentations but we also allocate some days to sit down and discuss. 28:07.000 --> 28:10.000 Our different topics. 28:10.000 --> 28:17.000 And academy would would last for for a week but then we've been also having events that we call sprint. 28:17.000 --> 28:24.000 That our marks much smaller actually this was a quite big sprint so maybe that doesn't count this is a better picture. 28:24.000 --> 28:35.000 Where we again sit together and discuss a different specific topic being able to also do this team building is is important because. 28:35.000 --> 28:39.000 But it's very cool and very powerful to be able to be distributed. 28:39.000 --> 28:50.000 Ball wide but creating the human links and to have discussions in person always happens in a. 28:50.000 --> 28:53.000 In a better way. 28:53.000 --> 29:03.000 And because it's it's very important to be friends right like you don't create a good product if you don't get to talk to your peers you don't get to discuss you don't want to say. 29:03.000 --> 29:09.000 This is a good idea or this is a bad idea especially when we are in this industry that. 29:09.000 --> 29:20.000 For lack of a better world is in identifying we see a lot of the products we are compared to growing ads over growing. 29:20.000 --> 29:28.000 Cutting features where it's maybe not needed and that doesn't really help a lot. 29:28.000 --> 29:33.000 And the people who are using it. 29:33.000 --> 29:39.000 And it does make sense operating systems are hard the business mothers are not super clear. 29:39.000 --> 29:45.000 I don't think that anyone is getting rich these days with any of the operating systems. 29:45.000 --> 29:50.000 And while we are doing the best we can. 29:50.000 --> 29:59.000 From a Linux and kiddie perspective we have very big competitors right like if you look at the kind of people that. 29:59.000 --> 30:03.000 All of us I guess in this room have around. 30:03.000 --> 30:07.000 Well they're the biggest curious companies in the world we have I don't know. 30:07.000 --> 30:10.000 Google Microsoft Apple right like. 30:10.000 --> 30:17.000 Who are we to tell these people no no no the produce you're doing are not quite right. 30:18.000 --> 30:27.000 Well, here we are and we keep saying so it's important that people have ways to. 30:27.000 --> 30:37.000 To use the computers outside of all of these pressure that happens in the market. 30:37.000 --> 30:47.000 And we continue delivering it with delivery by having contributors that by having users by having people who contribute money to the project and. 30:47.000 --> 30:52.000 Well allows us to to keep going and to continue providing. 30:52.000 --> 30:55.000 Solutions that. 30:55.000 --> 30:58.000 That are useful and great for everyone. 30:58.000 --> 31:02.000 The example that is a little bit outside of what we were discussing. 31:02.000 --> 31:05.000 Is Greta for example Greta is. 31:05.000 --> 31:07.000 Program that. 31:07.000 --> 31:13.000 Some fellow people from the K office team actually back then. 31:13.000 --> 31:15.000 Decided. 31:15.000 --> 31:21.000 We want to work on our application that is very good at drawing because they like drawing they had a hardware. 31:21.000 --> 31:28.000 But they realized that I don't know computers were not as good as real pen and paper. 31:28.000 --> 31:36.000 And if you look today online you'll see a ton of people using Greta as a solution for their. 31:36.000 --> 31:42.000 Painting be like recreational or professional or anything between. 31:42.000 --> 31:45.000 This is very important like if we didn't have. 31:45.000 --> 31:47.000 It wouldn't happen. 31:47.000 --> 31:50.000 At least all that easy for them to put together. 31:50.000 --> 31:53.000 A product and delivery. 31:53.000 --> 31:56.000 Another example I'm quite proud of. 31:56.000 --> 32:00.000 Yeah, this is a weird picture because I couldn't find a good one of our phones. 32:00.000 --> 32:03.000 So I took it when I was preparing the talk. 32:03.000 --> 32:08.000 This is itinerary you can see folk who has been developing it for a while. 32:08.000 --> 32:11.000 Around here. 32:12.000 --> 32:20.000 He wanted to work on an application so that when you travel you can put all of your itinerary in it and then you don't have to. 32:20.000 --> 32:26.000 What we have rely on proprietary applications to tell you where you have to go every time right. 32:26.000 --> 32:29.000 We were already developing plasma mobile background. 32:29.000 --> 32:34.000 We're already developing a lot of the frameworks and systems that. 32:34.000 --> 32:38.000 That he needed so he could focus on putting to their application. 32:38.000 --> 32:40.000 And then delivering it into the phones. 32:40.000 --> 32:43.000 I'm here actually we can see it running on on and right. 32:43.000 --> 32:51.000 In fact, this is the actual itinerary for me to get to Brussels or it would have been if Dutch Japan had worked. 32:51.000 --> 32:55.000 And yeah, really good application if you give it a go. 32:55.000 --> 32:59.000 It's really nice. 32:59.000 --> 33:04.000 We've been also working with several hardware vendors to. 33:05.000 --> 33:08.000 We put together devices also with our server. 33:08.000 --> 33:13.000 So one of the weird realizations at least for me was. 33:13.000 --> 33:17.000 Okay, we are developing these systems. 33:17.000 --> 33:22.000 As you very well know, this systems we create need to be distributed by distribution. 33:22.000 --> 33:23.000 All right. 33:23.000 --> 33:24.000 And then. 33:24.000 --> 33:29.000 How do you get that into hardware like how do how did I go from. 33:29.000 --> 33:33.000 I am a plasma developer so to say to. 33:33.000 --> 33:36.000 Pay mother or father. 33:36.000 --> 33:38.000 Use the thing I've been working on these days. 33:38.000 --> 33:40.000 It wasn't all that trivial. 33:40.000 --> 33:43.000 And to me it boils down quite a bit to all right. 33:43.000 --> 33:46.000 Make it possible for people at least to buy it, right. 33:46.000 --> 33:52.000 There's the also the alternative of try to erase whatever is coming with your hardware that you bought. 33:52.000 --> 33:53.000 And. 33:53.000 --> 33:58.000 Put this thing and hope that it works which we all do myself included not on this one. 33:58.000 --> 34:04.000 But yeah, I think that it was a good way of doing this. 34:04.000 --> 34:09.000 This is the slim book, but this days you can find three or four vendors. 34:09.000 --> 34:10.000 There's to settle as well. 34:10.000 --> 34:12.000 There's going to focus. 34:12.000 --> 34:18.000 Who are going to sell your device that has all of our software and it's already. 34:18.000 --> 34:21.000 Well, they already make sure that. 34:21.000 --> 34:23.000 It's going to work and it's going to. 34:24.000 --> 34:31.000 One of the big changes that we've seen that we got and still are very excited about was the steam deck. 34:31.000 --> 34:37.000 It's like one of these big big companies decided how about we make Linux cool for gamers. 34:37.000 --> 34:39.000 And and and they did they delivered. 34:39.000 --> 34:45.000 Beyond my personal expectations and I'm sure that many of yours as well. 34:45.000 --> 34:47.000 And they did it together with us. 34:47.000 --> 34:50.000 So if you get one of these devices, you can. 34:50.000 --> 34:55.000 Get into the desktop mode and use our software quite easily. 34:55.000 --> 35:00.000 And yeah, that has also driven a lot of our development in that like. 35:00.000 --> 35:06.000 We had to make sure that all of these new weird people who have these new weird use cases. 35:06.000 --> 35:09.000 Well, they are users were met. 35:09.000 --> 35:14.000 And our example of the things we're doing is kitty plasma mobile. 35:14.000 --> 35:22.000 So the UX for phone is something that oh, yes, we have a booth around here on on the corner. 35:22.000 --> 35:27.000 If you want to try any of that, you can go over there and thinker with some of the. 35:27.000 --> 35:30.000 Uh, however, bits we have lying around. 35:30.000 --> 35:33.000 Oh, very cool. 35:33.000 --> 35:40.000 Now, if you've been in this world for the last ten years, you will be telling me. 35:40.000 --> 35:44.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait, you're talking to me about buying new hardware. 35:44.000 --> 35:45.000 That's not what we do these days. 35:45.000 --> 35:46.000 This is not a kilo. 35:46.000 --> 35:49.000 And you will be quite right. 35:49.000 --> 35:54.000 That's why we've been working together with other communities in these. 35:54.000 --> 35:59.000 Environment on what we call the end of ten campaign where we were. 35:59.000 --> 36:06.000 But using the opportunity that Microsoft is asking every user to throw away their hardware because it's not cool enough. 36:06.000 --> 36:10.000 And we're telling them or use Linux, use our software even on. 36:10.000 --> 36:12.000 And we're going to make good use of it. 36:12.000 --> 36:16.000 You don't need to throw it away. 36:16.000 --> 36:18.000 Yeah. 36:18.000 --> 36:25.000 Now, uh, you don't really want to go super in depth in that topic because it can be quite boring. 36:25.000 --> 36:29.000 But I think that it's, uh, who is important to mention. 36:29.000 --> 36:35.000 Uh, finances are important for free software much like for any other project. 36:35.000 --> 36:42.000 Maybe not much like in that, in a company, you will have different needs and responsibilities. 36:42.000 --> 36:45.000 But in any case, we need to be funded. 36:45.000 --> 36:47.000 We need to have servers. 36:47.000 --> 36:55.000 We need to have people hired to work on different topics that people from the community won't be all that excited to work about. 36:55.000 --> 36:58.000 So we need to do that. 36:58.000 --> 37:01.000 Um, we've also had or up up down down. 37:02.000 --> 37:08.000 And if, if you wanted, we could have had a timeline of how all of that worked. 37:08.000 --> 37:10.000 Um, on the very early years. 37:10.000 --> 37:15.000 Actually, it seemed like there would be several, um, 37:15.000 --> 37:21.000 or more interest within the industry, which it was hard to materialize to the honest. 37:21.000 --> 37:27.000 Uh, but what they moved on, um, until Nokia, I think happened. 37:27.000 --> 37:30.000 Um, all of the finances changed quite a bit. 37:30.000 --> 37:38.000 I understand these also took your four years until they got tired of this whole Linux thing. 37:38.000 --> 37:41.000 And then they went away. 37:41.000 --> 37:55.000 And ever since we've been in a slow, but upwards tendency towards while continuing to get like what we call supporting members, which are the different industry partners. 37:55.000 --> 38:04.000 And also we've been working more with individual people and thinking about how to make them part of, um, of that financial solution. 38:04.000 --> 38:10.000 To the extent that last year we had a great, um, get fundraising experience. 38:10.000 --> 38:12.000 And we are very thankful for that. 38:12.000 --> 38:17.000 We, uh, we promise that we will put the money to good work, uh, 38:17.000 --> 38:22.000 especially to make sure that our products are as great as we want them to be. 38:22.000 --> 38:32.000 It's always daunting, uh, actually like putting money into hiring because then you become, well, somewhat responsible to, 38:32.000 --> 38:36.000 to the people you're hiring, but it's important that we do this kind of things. 38:36.000 --> 38:40.000 And so far it's actually been quite good people have responded very well. 38:40.000 --> 38:47.000 And it means that people can continue working and putting their effort into what we do, which is very important and very interesting. 38:47.000 --> 38:56.000 And I want to thank everyone who has been working on these things, uh, because, but without you it wouldn't be possible. 38:56.000 --> 38:57.000 Right? 38:57.000 --> 39:01.000 But are we done? Well, no, we're not done, right? 39:01.000 --> 39:04.000 There's still problems to solve. 39:04.000 --> 39:09.000 There's, um, well, not everybody is using plus matches yet. 39:09.000 --> 39:12.000 And not everybody is using Linux just yet. 39:12.000 --> 39:15.000 So, um, well, we need to keep working. 39:15.000 --> 39:20.000 Uh, our user keeps evolving. 39:20.000 --> 39:23.000 Yeah. Sorry. 39:23.000 --> 39:25.000 Our user keeps evolving. 39:25.000 --> 39:29.000 Uh, there are new phone factors, new users like for example, the, 39:29.000 --> 39:32.000 the student business required. 39:32.000 --> 39:35.000 We're thinking some aspects of how our user experience. 39:35.000 --> 39:40.000 Uh, the mobile phone required some thinking of our user experience of making sure that 39:40.000 --> 39:47.000 what we create is always as good as, uh, as it gets to be, right? 39:47.000 --> 39:50.000 Uh, the hard work is changing. 39:50.000 --> 39:57.000 And quite a bit. Actually, there's something that worries me these days, like on. 39:57.000 --> 40:05.000 Although in the laptops kind of thing, it was super easy. You get an ISO from whoever, from Ubuntu, from Suze, from whoever. 40:05.000 --> 40:09.000 You put it in there. It installs. It works. Perfect. No problem. 40:09.000 --> 40:14.000 Um, mobile. We haven't been able to do that. Had we been able to do that, Linux, um, 40:14.000 --> 40:18.000 while today would be much better. I think that we all agree on that one. 40:18.000 --> 40:24.000 And we see that more and more manufacturers are adopting arm, which is, 40:24.000 --> 40:29.000 from my understanding, big responsible for this, this way. 40:29.000 --> 40:36.000 And well, I am worried that maybe in a few years it would not be all that easy to, 40:36.000 --> 40:41.000 just install the software that we keep putting together, because it simply cannot boot, 40:41.000 --> 40:48.000 which is like, um, silly concept, right? In any case, uh, Linux is changing as well. 40:48.000 --> 40:52.000 Uh, distributions have been evolving quite a bit over the last few years. 40:52.000 --> 40:57.000 There, we will have seen many new ones come up. 40:57.000 --> 41:02.000 And they work in many different ways than they used to. 41:02.000 --> 41:05.000 The old Linux distributions also continue doing their work. 41:05.000 --> 41:08.000 And we continue working together and it's very important for us. 41:08.000 --> 41:13.000 Uh, in this regard, we have been, uh, thinking a lot about what we call KD Linux, 41:13.000 --> 41:18.000 being, um, Linux operating system made by us with our software, 41:18.000 --> 41:22.000 that we are aiming that is going to be reliable. 41:22.000 --> 41:27.000 And that is, well, if it breaks, you can go back to the last version that worked. 41:27.000 --> 41:31.000 And it's going to continue working. And it's going to be fine, which is, 41:31.000 --> 41:33.000 you know, what we want in an operating system, right? 41:33.000 --> 41:40.000 We are thinking, like, I was saying about being able to have our software delivered in different pieces of hardware. 41:40.000 --> 41:44.000 And we need to have the security that we can solve the problem. 41:44.000 --> 41:49.000 Something that, like, uh, scares me is when, like, 41:49.000 --> 41:54.000 I usually can come to me and say, do this thing is not working. 41:54.000 --> 41:56.000 And I say, okay, I'm going to sit down and fix it. 41:56.000 --> 41:58.000 And then I cannot give them the solution, right? 41:58.000 --> 42:01.000 This is something that we need to make sure that can happen. 42:01.000 --> 42:06.000 And we can only make that happen by collaborating, by collaborating with, 42:06.000 --> 42:10.000 with different, upstreams and downstreams and side streams. 42:10.000 --> 42:12.000 And this is something that we've been doing. 42:12.000 --> 42:17.000 We've been working with different communities, uh, 42:17.000 --> 42:21.000 in view of making all of that possible. 42:21.000 --> 42:26.000 For example, well, here, I used to have the, uh, Linux apps on me, 42:26.000 --> 42:30.000 and it logo, I think it's gone, but it's, um, 42:30.000 --> 42:32.000 what, a collaboration we're doing with, uh, 42:32.000 --> 42:35.000 no, we're going to have our conferences here. 42:35.000 --> 42:38.000 In May, everything goes alright. 42:38.000 --> 42:41.000 But keep tuned, you'll see. 42:41.000 --> 42:43.000 Uh, you get some news. 42:43.000 --> 42:47.000 Now, from a very personal level, if you, 42:47.000 --> 42:51.000 well, by my appeal, what I've been discussing, what do you do? 42:51.000 --> 42:54.000 But you can use our software, you can use our software. 42:54.000 --> 42:58.000 Anyway, I'm sure that you can find at least some bits that you can, 42:58.000 --> 43:00.000 you can use today. 43:00.000 --> 43:02.000 And if not, you can fill it out. 43:02.000 --> 43:04.000 I'm sure. 43:04.000 --> 43:06.000 You can consider joining us. 43:06.000 --> 43:08.000 Um. 43:08.000 --> 43:11.000 You might be thinking, oh, I'm not a C++ developers. 43:11.000 --> 43:13.000 Well, we need any kind of people. 43:13.000 --> 43:14.000 We need translator. 43:14.000 --> 43:15.000 We need graphics designers. 43:15.000 --> 43:19.000 We need people who can put together a UX. 43:19.000 --> 43:22.000 We need people who go through the bug reports and says, 43:22.000 --> 43:24.000 well, these are important. 43:24.000 --> 43:26.000 These are not so much important. 43:26.000 --> 43:27.000 Many, many things. 43:27.000 --> 43:30.000 We even have a wiki page that, um, 43:30.000 --> 43:32.000 that tells you how to get started. 43:32.000 --> 43:34.000 You can easily search online. 43:34.000 --> 43:36.000 Getting started, KD. 43:36.000 --> 43:38.000 And you will find that page. 43:38.000 --> 43:41.000 Easily, it's going to give you a ton of ideas. 43:41.000 --> 43:42.000 Yeah. 43:42.000 --> 43:43.000 So, join us. 43:43.000 --> 43:44.000 You will be welcome. 43:44.000 --> 43:47.000 You'll get to join us at a academy. 43:47.000 --> 43:49.000 Any, you can always come to academy. 43:49.000 --> 43:53.000 You need to get permission or anything. 43:53.000 --> 43:55.000 And yeah, that was my presentation. 43:55.000 --> 43:56.000 This is me. 43:56.000 --> 43:57.000 My name is Aleshe. 43:57.000 --> 43:58.000 I am from Barcelona. 43:58.000 --> 43:59.000 I'm living in Berlin. 43:59.000 --> 44:00.000 I'm the KDV president. 44:00.000 --> 44:06.000 The KDV being the association around all of these things that I've been discussing. 44:06.000 --> 44:09.000 I'm also a KD contributor and developer. 44:09.000 --> 44:13.000 I've been working on several of the components of discuss here. 44:13.000 --> 44:15.000 I'm employed these days by a good thing. 44:15.000 --> 44:17.000 And I do operating systems with them. 44:17.000 --> 44:22.000 I'm also part of the Linux-absomit organization teams. 44:22.000 --> 44:30.000 And on Sundays at 6, I do a Twitch with Carl Citer, which is also an all over KD kind of person. 44:30.000 --> 44:34.000 Now, yeah, thanks for listening to me. 44:34.000 --> 44:39.000 If you have any questions, you may ask them now or come to the booth later on. 44:39.000 --> 44:43.000 And ask anyone there, or me, if I'm there. 44:43.000 --> 44:45.000 I thought this a question. 44:45.000 --> 44:57.000 Any questions? 44:57.000 --> 45:00.000 Any questions over there? 45:00.000 --> 45:07.000 Okay. 45:07.000 --> 45:09.000 Good morning. 45:09.000 --> 45:11.000 Yeah. 45:11.000 --> 45:16.000 I think it's a little bit hard to become a contributor for the KDV project. 45:16.000 --> 45:21.000 Not because KDV is not well documented or whatever, just because it's big. 45:21.000 --> 45:24.000 It's gigantic. 45:24.000 --> 45:28.000 How do you say, what's the best method to become a contributor? 45:28.000 --> 45:32.000 Use KDV neon, use Docker, use some solution. 45:32.000 --> 45:37.000 What's your talk about that easiest way? 45:37.000 --> 45:41.000 Using KDV neon is probably one of the easiest ways these days using KDV neon. 45:41.000 --> 45:44.000 So it's something you can already start using. 45:44.000 --> 45:46.000 Many people are using them. 45:46.000 --> 45:50.000 It's not going to explode or actually like I was saying with Twitch security, 45:50.000 --> 45:56.000 very seriously or you're not going to lose your data or anything like that. 45:56.000 --> 46:04.000 But in any way, using the software shouldn't be the high part. 46:05.000 --> 46:08.000 And it also depends on which aspects you want to contribute to. 46:08.000 --> 46:14.000 Like, if you need an app, for example, what you can do is use the flat perks. 46:14.000 --> 46:18.000 As you can either get them from flat top, where you're going to have the last version. 46:18.000 --> 46:24.000 You can get them from the CI, where you can get the development version. 46:24.000 --> 46:31.000 And from there, the sky is the limit, I guess. 46:31.000 --> 46:36.000 There's a question over there. 46:36.000 --> 46:40.000 Yes. 46:40.000 --> 46:42.000 One, two, three. 46:42.000 --> 46:46.000 So my question was about phones. 46:46.000 --> 46:56.000 So what's the latest or greatest and best phone experience with KDV? 46:56.000 --> 46:59.000 So you're asking devices, right? 47:00.000 --> 47:03.000 The last one that was working quite well was the OnePlus 6. 47:03.000 --> 47:07.000 We are working towards making the Farphone really good. 47:07.000 --> 47:14.000 Also, push on one of our last mobile maintainers has been working on this new device called Mecca. 47:14.000 --> 47:16.000 All of them, you can find them at the booth. 47:16.000 --> 47:22.000 You can try them. You'll see it's super fast, super smooth, super beautiful. 47:23.000 --> 47:29.000 Hello, you briefly spoke about distribution and packaging via flat packs of the applications. 47:29.000 --> 47:35.000 What proportion of KDV applications would you currently say are packaged by flat packs? 47:35.000 --> 47:42.000 And is there a kind of formal plan to increase the amount of applications that package in flat packs? 47:43.000 --> 47:50.000 I think that the vast majority they are when they are not is because there's some weird constraint. 47:50.000 --> 47:54.000 We're working towards making sure that all of the applications can work there. 47:54.000 --> 48:00.000 Constraints look more like, for example, we have the KDV teams with that. 48:00.000 --> 48:08.000 They have the service that runs around it and, well, making sure that it works properly and as needed is not trivial. 48:08.000 --> 48:16.000 But we're working towards that. So our plan is 100% if possible and if not as much. 48:16.000 --> 48:25.000 But we take it seriously in KD Linux all of the only way you have to graphically install applications is through flat pack and flat hub. 48:25.000 --> 48:31.000 So it's very important to us and we're working in this direction. 48:31.000 --> 48:33.000 Thanks. 48:33.000 --> 48:37.000 Okay, we should have time for one more question. 48:37.000 --> 48:41.000 One last question. 48:41.000 --> 48:45.000 There's any hands moving there. 48:45.000 --> 48:48.000 Hello? 48:48.000 --> 48:54.000 What's the current status of the plasma big screen project like the usability of it? 48:54.000 --> 48:59.000 I see that everybody is interested about the weirder form factors. 49:00.000 --> 49:03.000 Plasma big screen was properly ported to our last. 49:03.000 --> 49:07.000 After our last technology switch to kitsics and everything. 49:07.000 --> 49:09.000 It is more or less working. 49:09.000 --> 49:11.000 Development is not super active. 49:11.000 --> 49:14.000 The hardware story again is not super clear. 49:14.000 --> 49:19.000 There's a lot of devices that could be each a good thing that you would have connected to the TV, 49:19.000 --> 49:23.000 which is entirely the use case for plasma big screen. 49:23.000 --> 49:30.000 But I don't think that anyone has narrow down yet what the right behavior would be. 49:30.000 --> 49:35.000 Actually, ideally, we would be able to install the software into the TVs, right? 49:35.000 --> 49:40.000 But again, it's a weirdly closed ecosystem and it's very hard to get into. 49:40.000 --> 49:49.000 So we still have to rely on satellite hardware being around on your, I don't know, not desk. 49:49.000 --> 49:51.000 Around your TV needs to be there. 49:51.000 --> 49:56.000 But yeah, it's working and you can run the different applications as you need. 49:56.000 --> 49:59.000 And control it with the remote, which is what it's about. 49:59.000 --> 50:00.000 So it is alive. 50:00.000 --> 50:03.000 If you want it more alive, you can join. 50:03.000 --> 50:14.000 And take a bite on the program because it is important that people use it and develop it for it to be successful. 50:15.000 --> 50:19.000 Okay, so this has been it. 50:19.000 --> 50:23.000 Where shall we give him another round of applause?