WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:10.480 Hello everybody, so this is a talk about crypto, so maybe first question, who has used 00:10.480 --> 00:15.640 crypto here, like, okay, big room, so and we doesn't know crypto and wants to know more 00:15.640 --> 00:22.720 about it, okay, good, great, perfect, so let's go, I'm Ludwig DuBurst, I'm the CEO of 00:22.720 --> 00:28.480 the company XWiki that does crypto, so XWiki is a company that does both Wiki software 00:28.520 --> 00:35.120 XWiki and builds also crypto, so we have been started building crypto for 10 years, 00:35.120 --> 00:41.640 so what is exactly crypto ad, or crypto ad is a document editor, so think like Google Docs, 00:41.640 --> 00:49.840 you have a lot of document editing where you will find, like equivalents to PowerPoint, 00:49.840 --> 01:01.040 XWiki but also text pads, also rich text pad in HTML, you'll also find a whiteboard, 01:01.040 --> 01:07.000 but then you will have some additional features which we'll talk about, but so one of the 01:07.000 --> 01:14.680 aspects that it has all real-time editing, so that means you can edit with other people, 01:14.680 --> 01:20.240 like in Google Docs, or like in Etapa, or in a few tools like that, we also have some additional 01:20.240 --> 01:27.120 features like calendars, drive, teams, which makes crypto the full collaboration platform, 01:27.120 --> 01:33.320 but the most innovative and interesting part of crypto ad is that it's end-to-end encrypted, 01:33.320 --> 01:38.640 so what does it exactly mean, it means your data will be protected, I'll get back to that 01:38.640 --> 01:44.600 to explain a bit how it works, so one of the key aspects of crypto ad is that it will 01:44.600 --> 01:49.880 give you a familiar interface, so something that is easy to use, one of the assumptions we take 01:49.880 --> 01:55.600 is that if we want people to get off the big text, we need to give them something simple, 01:55.600 --> 02:02.880 and if we're giving them encryption and security, it needs to come without too much cost 02:02.880 --> 02:08.200 in terms of understanding of the platform, it needs to be easy, encryption and security 02:08.200 --> 02:14.920 tends to be complicated, it's difficult to understand what you need to do, and if we want 02:14.920 --> 02:20.520 people to use encryption and protect their data, we need to give them something simple, 02:20.520 --> 02:27.640 and crypto ad is of course a full open source platform in a GPLV3, so crypto ad has received 02:27.640 --> 02:34.800 11 years of development, so we started 11 years ago, and you can also try it on crypto ad 02:34.880 --> 02:41.280 so anybody can start using crypto ad right away, you go on crypto ad far, which is the 02:41.280 --> 02:47.600 flagship instance of crypto ad, so we host it in the crypto team, and you can start using 02:47.600 --> 02:52.240 crypto ad, and it's extremely easy to start using crypto ad, the only thing you can just 02:52.240 --> 02:56.960 start without even creating accounts, you click on one of these documents here on the link 02:56.960 --> 03:01.840 when you get to crypto ad far, and you get to collaborative documents, and then you have a 03:01.840 --> 03:07.520 button, create a link to share it with people, so one very important thing, in order to keep 03:07.520 --> 03:14.560 the security of crypto ad, if you create a sharing link using that way, using the link creation 03:14.560 --> 03:19.280 instead of the sharing through the crypto ad platform, which requires people to register, 03:19.280 --> 03:24.880 if you share it using a secure platform, otherwise you're breaking the security of crypto ad, 03:24.880 --> 03:31.360 so share it using signal, matrix, element, so systems that are also encrypted, don't send it 03:31.360 --> 03:36.720 by mail, if you send it by mail, you're taking a risk, if you absolutely need to send it by mail, 03:36.720 --> 03:43.680 you can add a password to the link, and you can give the password by text message, by phone, 03:43.680 --> 03:48.000 to the people that you're sending the link to, and in this case, you won't have broken the 03:48.000 --> 03:53.840 security, so what we believe is that you can get collaboration and privacy at the same time, 03:53.840 --> 04:00.320 that you can get books, and this is what we're trying to do with crypto ad, so security by design, 04:00.320 --> 04:06.080 what does it exactly mean? So one of the problems with encryption is that everybody says 04:06.080 --> 04:12.400 that they're doing encryption, so if you ask Google, Google is encrypted, it says HTTPS, 04:13.680 --> 04:21.120 HTTPS is encrypted, but what is very important is that, well, you always have an encryption 04:21.120 --> 04:30.080 between the user and the storage, but once it gets to the server, at that point, it becomes 04:30.160 --> 04:35.760 unencrypted again, so the internet is massively encrypted when it comes to the communication, 04:35.760 --> 04:42.400 between a client and a server, but at the server level it gets unencrypted, so what does it mean? 04:42.400 --> 04:48.000 It means admin can actually look at the data, now there is a second level that actually 04:48.000 --> 04:54.560 big text say they use encryption for that, yeah, we encrypt the disks, so we encrypt the disks, 04:55.440 --> 05:01.840 but in reality, the admins still have the keys to that disk, so the admins can still see the data, 05:02.560 --> 05:08.960 and so this ends up being a bit of encryption washing, like yeah, we do security, it's great, 05:08.960 --> 05:15.200 it's super secure, but in the system, admins can always see the data, with n to n encryption, 05:15.200 --> 05:20.000 so the word n to n is very important for those that don't know that word, it's very important, 05:20.080 --> 05:26.320 n to n means it's encrypted from the user to the system, and it stays encrypted there, 05:26.880 --> 05:32.880 and the admins don't have the key, so the key is owned by the users, only the users have the key, 05:32.880 --> 05:38.320 the admins cannot look at the data, and that's what's happening with CRIPAD, if you use CRIPAD4, 05:38.320 --> 05:44.240 you create the document on CRIPAD4, we, the hosters of CRIPAD on CRIPAD4, that's us, 05:44.800 --> 05:50.080 or if you use another CRIPAD server, the people managing that server cannot see your data, 05:51.040 --> 05:57.440 so what's important to understand is that encryption in itself is not enough, it really needs to, 05:58.320 --> 06:03.920 it needs to come with how the key management is done, and that is n to an encryption, 06:03.920 --> 06:10.400 with good key management, so when you get to an encrypted platform, it's important to think about 06:10.400 --> 06:15.920 how the keys are managed, and so we should all favor into an encrypted solutions because they 06:15.920 --> 06:22.880 really protect the data more, so systems like signal, element, CRIPAD, or Proton, Proton is not fully 06:22.880 --> 06:29.680 open source, so Proton tends to show their source for the clients, they don't, they're not an open source 06:29.680 --> 06:36.320 platform because all the service system is not open source, so usually serious and to an encrypted 06:36.320 --> 06:40.960 platform always show the source of their client, because you cannot prove that it actually does 06:40.960 --> 06:47.280 what it's supposed to do, if nobody can look at the code, so open source for n to an encrypted 06:47.280 --> 06:52.320 platform is actually critical, it's really important because people need to be able to 06:52.320 --> 06:58.400 audit the code to verify that it's actually doing what it promises to do, and one thing that 06:58.400 --> 07:03.360 is important to understand with n to an encryption is that it might come and it comes usually 07:03.360 --> 07:08.720 with some loss of features, it's more complex to build all collaboration features using n to 07:08.720 --> 07:14.240 an encryption, so we need to be honest about it, but CRIPAD is a proof that you can actually 07:14.240 --> 07:19.520 go quite far, so you can build quite a lot of collaboration features when n to an encryption 07:19.520 --> 07:24.640 when you put your mind to it, so when the big text or when other companies say, no, we can't do it 07:25.200 --> 07:29.840 no, they have the money to do it, if they wanted they could do it, they just don't want to do it 07:29.840 --> 07:36.960 because they like to see the data, so CRIPAD is about CRIPAD first, so I won't go too much into that 07:36.960 --> 07:45.120 because even myself, I don't fully understand it, so this is explaining how encryption works in CRIPAD, 07:45.120 --> 07:50.240 so the key point in CRIPAD is start, so when you create the document, the document has a key, 07:50.240 --> 07:55.440 every document in CRIPAD will have a different key, so there's going to be a key for every document 07:55.600 --> 08:00.480 and that's where the drive is very important, all your keys will be stored in your drive, 08:00.480 --> 08:06.560 so that it's simple to use, so the drive acts like a wallet, wallet where you put your keys, 08:06.560 --> 08:11.760 you put your cards basically, that gives you access to every document, and your drive itself 08:12.480 --> 08:19.360 is an encrypted document itself, and this drive is encrypted using your username and password, 08:19.360 --> 08:23.520 so if you use CRIPAD, if tomorrow you start, you decide to start using CRIPAD, 08:23.920 --> 08:31.120 your username and password will never be known to us, there are your keys to the system, 08:31.680 --> 08:37.520 we cannot recover your data if you lose your username and password, so the combination of 08:37.520 --> 08:46.480 your username and password becomes your key using a secure algorithm called SRIPAD, and these two items 08:47.200 --> 08:53.200 are things that we don't know on our side, and we cannot help you recover if you lose them, 08:53.280 --> 08:59.200 so it's going to be super important for you to back this information up in a secure location, 08:59.200 --> 09:07.760 so in a password manager, on a paper, in a safe, on a paper, in an envelope, somewhere in your home 09:07.760 --> 09:13.040 that nobody knows where it is, it's super important, otherwise you're disclosing your data, 09:13.040 --> 09:18.720 we cannot do anything for you if you're losing your data, maybe in the future will allow you 09:18.720 --> 09:24.880 to give your keys to a group of friends, which could recover them together for you in order to have 09:24.880 --> 09:28.880 a backup system, but today we don't have that type of feature, so if you lose your username, 09:28.880 --> 09:34.400 password you lose your data, this is by design, and if we were able to do it, then it would mean 09:34.400 --> 09:40.560 that we're not doing what we're saying we're doing, so it's encryption for all, the 09:40.560 --> 09:46.400 goal of CRIPAD is really that anybody can use it, it should be familiar, it should be easy to use, 09:46.960 --> 09:52.880 so when you get to a drive, you click your open document, it's simple, simple to use, 09:54.160 --> 09:59.760 so we also worked a lot on accessibility, because we believe that it should be usable by 09:59.760 --> 10:06.000 anybody, so it's not easy to make platforms like CRIPAD fully accessible, because all the editing tools 10:06.000 --> 10:11.520 are quite complex in terms of how to use them, because it's not only about viewing and reading 10:11.600 --> 10:17.840 documents, it's about writing them, so it's at a level of complexity, but we've did quite a lot 10:17.840 --> 10:24.240 of work, also with the help of internet funding that and giving us free audits in order to improve 10:24.240 --> 10:28.800 the accessibility of the platform, and this is on come something we're continuing to try to do, 10:30.320 --> 10:38.320 the quote is actually the result of an audit, so that we have a system that's quite accessible already, 10:39.280 --> 10:48.480 so what happened in 2025, so first the main thing we know on how to measure if CRIPAD is 10:48.480 --> 10:53.680 liked and loved by people is people using it, so the first thing is that we have 2000 instances, 10:53.680 --> 11:00.000 so 2000 of 2000 people have installed the CRIPAD server, for these servers we don't really know 11:00.000 --> 11:06.720 how many people are using them, like they're just independent servers, and you have on CRIPAD, 11:06.720 --> 11:13.200 if you go to CRIPAD org, there is a free instance list, so you can have free instance list that are 11:13.200 --> 11:20.480 managed independently by people in different countries, the way it's hosted is mentioned, 11:20.480 --> 11:25.600 we cannot vouch for them, for these instances it's important, because we don't know what was 11:25.600 --> 11:30.800 handling the instances, and there's still a level of trust that you need to have with the 11:30.800 --> 11:38.000 host, or is that while the host cannot see the data, the host could hack the code and modify the 11:38.000 --> 11:43.840 code and then steal your data, so it's still important to have some level of trust with your host, 11:44.640 --> 11:51.360 CRIPAD is not here to protect you from malicious users, it's protecting you to what we call 11:51.360 --> 11:57.840 insecurity, what is called insecurity, honest but curious, that means you could be curious, 11:58.160 --> 12:02.880 but you're honest, you're not going to try to see the data, you're not going to hack to see 12:02.880 --> 12:08.720 the data, you're not going to decide, you're going to be honest, you're not going to be tempted to see 12:08.720 --> 12:14.480 the data, and it's like basically the idea, and the idea that if the data is visible then people will 12:14.480 --> 12:20.720 read it, so I'll speed up a bit, so two million five to three million pads every month are 12:20.720 --> 12:26.880 read on our CRIPAD flagship instance, so the CRIPAD flagship instance is the most used instance 12:26.880 --> 12:32.240 in the world we believe, there's like 60,000 people having accounts and using them every month, 12:33.120 --> 12:37.760 a hundred thousand people using forms, I didn't mention forms at this point, we also have a 12:37.760 --> 12:43.840 service system which allow people to protect the answers of survey and that's heavy to use, it's 12:43.920 --> 12:50.480 very heavy to use in the internet, we have 7,000 to rich tax documents for 500,000 per month, 12:50.480 --> 12:55.680 office documents that are open, this is a registration curve, you can see over the last 30 days, 12:55.680 --> 13:01.680 it's growing quite a lot, and the reason it's growing quite a lot is that in 2005 we've been growing 13:01.680 --> 13:09.200 a lot in the US, so you can try to guess why it's growing in the US, and in the last 60 days 13:09.280 --> 13:17.520 it has almost double usage in the US, and the reason is that activists want to need to protect 13:17.520 --> 13:24.080 their data to communicate with other activists, and that's in particular the form system is 13:24.080 --> 13:29.600 heavy used by activists to put in contact with other activists, and in the last 60 days we got 13:29.600 --> 13:35.680 huge usage in the US, which is very sad in some way, but it makes us also very proud that we're 13:35.680 --> 13:42.720 helping these activists, 2000 instances and we have these stats about which pads are being used, 13:43.520 --> 13:49.840 so heavy form usage, we have a lot of engineers, even the UN has used grip at this year for form, 13:50.720 --> 13:55.760 and it actually what's very interesting with the form is that it brings us 100,000 users per month 13:56.960 --> 14:03.200 which in many cases probably vast majority of these people don't know grip at, because it's 14:03.200 --> 14:09.200 other people that are sending them the pad, and it makes people aware that there are alternatives 14:09.200 --> 14:15.040 to get thumbs and to big techs, and that you can actually run forms with another system, then google 14:15.040 --> 14:23.200 forms. We have worked on UIUX this year, we have redesigned a few components, 14:23.920 --> 14:30.160 there is a regular complaint that we could be better in terms of design and looking 14:30.160 --> 14:37.920 and feeling prepared, so we're working on it, we're making improvements, so we have made improvements 14:37.920 --> 14:45.520 to the look and feel across the board, and in the last few years we tried to focus more on the 14:45.520 --> 14:51.520 UX user experience, so how the boxes are designed, and what message we're giving to the people, 14:51.520 --> 14:57.280 then on the look itself, now we're also going towards the look, and we're trying to work on this, 14:57.600 --> 15:04.960 we still have plans to make more improvements, so that's the new icons that we put in place in 15:04.960 --> 15:11.360 in the last few months, this is how we evolve the trees, so I mean it doesn't look that much, 15:11.360 --> 15:15.440 but it gives a different feeling to people, and it improves the look and feel which is important 15:16.160 --> 15:21.760 for people to love the tool, and another thing that we developed, and that is interesting for 15:21.760 --> 15:28.320 developers, that for them, is that we created an API, so crypto can also be used using that 15:28.320 --> 15:35.840 API by other tools that are that could encrypt documents and use crypto as a document editor, 15:35.840 --> 15:41.200 so that would allow to use the capacity of crypto, which is to edit 10 types of documents 15:41.920 --> 15:47.360 using encryption systems, and integrate it with other encrypted systems, with other 15:47.360 --> 15:51.600 end-to-end encrypted systems, so if you're a developer and you find that interesting, go check it out, 15:51.600 --> 15:59.360 it's been funded by French funding, so we also developed crypto at cloud, so for an organization 15:59.360 --> 16:05.840 that wants to run its own instance separately from crypto, but doesn't want to run it itself, 16:05.840 --> 16:10.640 they can do, they can go to a cloud, and we have paying services there, and it's also a source 16:10.640 --> 16:16.480 of revenue for us, some other works is that we have upgraded only office, we made lots of fixes, 16:16.480 --> 16:23.280 we also experimented with post-contom cryptography, which is something we'll need to do in the 16:23.280 --> 16:28.480 future, it's not yet urgent, but and it's still, there are a few problems with it, it's not so 16:28.480 --> 16:32.960 easy to integrate in a tool like crypto, it needs to stay performant, but this is something we've 16:32.960 --> 16:40.480 been working on, and the German security agency, BSI, made a security audit of crypto, which has 16:40.480 --> 16:45.760 been quite useful also, to understand if we have security issues, so they found a few things, 16:45.760 --> 16:50.640 not anything critical, but that are still interesting to improve the security of crypto. 16:51.360 --> 16:56.240 So some information of finance, so crypto has open finances, if you go to a blog you can find 16:56.240 --> 17:01.760 our finances, we haven't yet published the blog for 2025, which basically is going to be this 17:01.760 --> 17:07.520 information, but we have the information for 2024, so we have nine people that are working on 17:07.520 --> 17:13.920 crypto ad, overhauled it costs between 600 and 700 k a year, because I believe so the reason we're 17:13.920 --> 17:20.400 doing open finances is that how you fund open source is an overlooked issue, it is something that 17:20.400 --> 17:25.040 is actually quite difficult, and I'm running a company paying people doing open source, and I'm very 17:25.040 --> 17:31.360 focused on how can I pay these people, and so for crypto ad, this is also our objective, is how 17:31.360 --> 17:37.040 can we build open source, be sustainable, and pay people every month, and not think about, okay, 17:37.040 --> 17:42.000 how are we going to find the next paycheck for the people, so we have nine people working, 17:42.000 --> 17:48.000 crypto ad costing between 600 and 700 k, being inside xwk size, which is a 70 people company, 17:48.000 --> 17:54.400 that is already sustainable on the xwk software that we sell to businesses, gives us financial 17:54.400 --> 17:59.600 stability, that's actually quite important for the team, but it's still challenging to fund the 17:59.600 --> 18:05.600 project, crypto ad is not a very key in project, it's currently mainly funded with research 18:05.600 --> 18:13.280 failed 2024, so last year we were at 80% is research funding, so only 20% is money that we get from 18:13.280 --> 18:18.560 actual users of the software, 80% we need to go to people to get it, like asking the European 18:18.560 --> 18:22.320 community, can you give us money, asking an internet, can you give us money, asking friends, 18:22.320 --> 18:27.440 can you give us money because this is good software, and so one of the things we realize is that 18:27.440 --> 18:33.440 we also had, we need to sell, so we could sell to users, we could sell to companies, 18:34.000 --> 18:39.360 now we saw that for crypto ad the best pass was going to be to see like consumers themselves 18:39.360 --> 18:44.320 can fund the software, signal has managed to get funding from their users, we believe that 18:44.320 --> 18:49.840 crypto ad can do the same, and we chose to prioritize that revenue, so one of the things that if you 18:49.840 --> 18:54.160 want to donate for crypto ad to crypto ad, you can do it, we have an open collective to participate 18:54.160 --> 18:59.760 to the funding, I'm not going to spend too much time on that because there is a lot of numbers, 18:59.760 --> 19:07.120 but these are all numbers, so in 2025, including our budget for the next year, so how we hope to 19:07.120 --> 19:15.600 be funded, so what you can see here that 25 is funded is basically we finished at minus 12k, 19:16.160 --> 19:25.280 that's not too bad, still 12k missing, but that's fine, getting most of the money from research, 19:25.360 --> 19:31.600 30% of the recurring revenue, 30% is recurring revenue from customers now, and that has been 19:31.600 --> 19:37.600 big progress because we move from 17% to 30% and that has been a big progress, the reason is that 19:37.600 --> 19:45.680 we did 50% growth on the subscription on crypto ad far and on donation, both together, so 80% 19:45.680 --> 19:52.400 we have 150k coming from subscription and donation, 80% of it is subscriptions, 20% donations, 19:52.480 --> 20:01.520 but they have both grown by 50% in 2025, we hope to do 50% next year, which is quite challenging, 20:01.520 --> 20:08.800 it's not that easy, like Trump is helping us a lot to grow because we have revenue from the US 20:08.800 --> 20:13.200 and that's great, but we know, let's hope that Trump will stop helping us grow, 20:14.000 --> 20:19.200 but that users will do help us grow, but if we count on these 50%, 20:19.200 --> 20:24.000 while you can see it's 26, it's still funded because we still have a very big French research project, 20:24.000 --> 20:31.200 but if you look at 27, 28, oh we're not there yet, like even with 50% growth, if we don't find 20:31.200 --> 20:35.840 some extra funding, we won't be able to sustain the same team that we have today, so we still 20:35.840 --> 20:42.400 we will still need to find funding, I'm not worried, we can't find it, so one thing with this 20:42.400 --> 20:48.560 information is to make understand also that users have a very important role to play in helping 20:48.560 --> 20:53.200 the platforms we funded, if we want to open source platform, we need to fund them as users, 20:53.200 --> 20:59.200 so we need to contribute to it, we can't get everything for free, so now to finish what's coming, 20:59.760 --> 21:05.120 so one of the things that we hope to grow 50% on crypto default, the biggest difficulty 21:05.120 --> 21:10.560 when it comes to growing crypto default is that to grow paying users, we actually also need to grow 21:10.560 --> 21:15.840 free users, we give one gigabyte for free on crypto default, that's quite a lot, we have 400,000 21:15.840 --> 21:23.600 free users, we have 1500 subscribers, so if we want 3000 subscribers, well if we get the same 21:23.600 --> 21:29.600 conversion rate, we need 800,000 free users, well today the platform is already at maximum 21:30.720 --> 21:36.560 capacity, not because of hosting, not because of the capacity of the machines, because of the capacity 21:36.560 --> 21:42.080 of the software, so that's why we're working on a scalable server, we've been happy that NLNet 21:42.160 --> 21:48.960 accepted to fund it through NGI Commons, so we got a funding for that, and we hope to launch this 21:48.960 --> 21:56.080 before the end of the first semester because we absolutely needed, otherwise the platform will go down, 21:57.760 --> 22:03.440 crypto notes, integrating blockchain in crypto, is something that we will integrate, 22:04.000 --> 22:09.120 we'll also try to continue to work on UI UX and on mobile, there's one of the biggest 22:09.120 --> 22:15.120 requests from our users, be better on mobile, it's not simple to be highly performant on mobile, 22:15.120 --> 22:20.800 mobile behaves differently and less stops when it comes to memory management, it tends to cut 22:20.800 --> 22:25.680 the connection, reload the pages and that's more expensive for us, and that's more problematic, 22:25.680 --> 22:32.640 to good news is that we also ask for funding with the project next graph, I think next graph 22:32.640 --> 22:44.080 has a DevRome, tomorrow with on local first software, two DevRome, and we're going to work with them 22:44.080 --> 22:49.680 and start doing some level of federation between crypto servers, so it's going to be a start 22:49.680 --> 22:56.080 towards federation, collaborating with the next graph team, that technology is super interesting, 22:56.080 --> 23:02.240 it's still new, but it's going to be interesting to integrate it and we got funding 23:02.240 --> 23:06.800 from the European community together, it got announced yesterday, so that's actually completely 23:06.800 --> 23:12.800 fresh news, change has changed our budget, like our budgets would be way more red if we didn't have 23:12.800 --> 23:20.080 that project, and now to finish, well, the message I want to give is, the data is precious, 23:20.080 --> 23:27.520 we need to protect our data, so crypto ad does offer an alternative to to Gaffem software, 23:27.520 --> 23:33.200 to Microsoft Office 365 or Google Workspace, it's encrypted but it's still easy to use, 23:33.200 --> 23:38.400 give it a try if you haven't, I mean if you think that open source platforms cannot be easy to 23:38.400 --> 23:45.520 use, you're wrong, they can be, and we have lots of use of a crypto ad, they're not techies, 23:45.520 --> 23:52.800 they're writers, lawyers, and they're using it, and because it's a platform that is easy to use 23:52.800 --> 23:59.120 which in addition protects your data, and another message is, we have crypto platforms, 23:59.120 --> 24:03.040 crypto platforms is an incredible tool to protect data when you do surveys, 24:03.040 --> 24:09.440 actually nobody should be doing surveys with Google forms, this is forcing people to go to a 24:09.440 --> 24:16.000 non-sexual platform, to accompany that tends to look at every data, and so, and the 24:16.000 --> 24:20.400 your users didn't make the decision to go to Google, they should make the decision if they want 24:20.400 --> 24:25.120 to go to Google or to something else, with crypto ad, you're sending them to a place where the 24:25.120 --> 24:32.080 data is not exposed, so you're much safer there, and actually this is actually how a lot of 24:32.080 --> 24:36.480 activists and a lot of people are helping us, that sometimes on Twitter LinkedIn and so on, 24:37.040 --> 24:41.760 when people send out to Google form to answer survey, you get people say, why are you using Google 24:41.760 --> 24:46.400 form, when you have crypto ad that is free, that's how we got the UN using a form, they had a 24:46.400 --> 24:51.280 Microsoft form, somebody said, I don't understand, you're making a survey about sovereignty, 24:51.280 --> 24:55.360 and you're sending people to Microsoft, how is that possible, like it's not possible, like you 24:55.360 --> 25:02.160 can do that, and crypto ad is free, and so, well, if you actually, if we all participate like that 25:02.160 --> 25:08.480 and send an expose people that are actually sending people to platforms that aren't secure, 25:08.480 --> 25:14.720 we'll get more people that will use open source and use secure software, and another message is 25:14.800 --> 25:19.360 that we still need your help to get to finance the stability, we will need to grow the revenue, 25:19.360 --> 25:24.880 we hope to grow it through growing free users that pay, but if we actually get more people that pay, 25:25.840 --> 25:31.040 for the same number of free users, then obviously we will be in a better shape, and we will be able 25:31.040 --> 25:36.800 to hire, so we still need to help for that, so I want to thank you for listening to me, 25:36.800 --> 25:43.840 I didn't leave any time for questions, I will maybe like one question, and yes, 25:44.720 --> 25:53.840 I have two questions, I can choose, I found it very great, I just wanted to say that the 25:53.840 --> 26:00.880 version is like, we need it, yes sorry, because as you pointed out, the distributed 26:00.880 --> 26:06.320 source code must correspond to the deployed one, and this we can check and let's be deployed, 26:06.320 --> 26:11.360 and then obviously special, and then I'm going to be like everybody's paying it, so everybody's 26:12.160 --> 26:17.920 so I am blind, so I am thinking about this from this point of view, and you will be much of 26:17.920 --> 26:25.680 accessibility, so I am too questions, and what is your level of conformance to wake-up, 26:27.120 --> 26:33.680 do you know about blind people being comfortable using a quick bank, 26:34.560 --> 26:40.880 this is basically inside of the browser, right, yes, second question, how is it, is it to you 26:41.440 --> 26:49.520 prepare outside of the browser, and most specifically does your API provide fine-grain access to the 26:49.520 --> 26:55.280 young editing feature, or is it like just you can like, don't know the document, but if you're not 26:55.280 --> 26:59.680 editing to the end, okay, so I need to repeat the question, and I really don't have a lot of time, 26:59.760 --> 27:07.200 so the first question, so now I forgot the first question, WCG, yeah, so I don't want to say too much 27:08.480 --> 27:13.040 wrong stuff, so I think we have documents on the internet, so the best would be to find 27:13.600 --> 27:20.400 the actual reports, I think it's level one, we're going to level one, and we got a decent percentage, 27:20.400 --> 27:26.000 the problem of the quick bank platform is that it has 10 editors, so I mean it really depends 27:26.000 --> 27:30.560 on every editor, so when you get to office documents, it's not, it's a different story, 27:30.560 --> 27:37.280 then you get to with a week, so it's difficult, it's difficult to answer, so I don't want to say 27:37.280 --> 27:41.360 that we're great to access about, I don't think that's the case, I think we're really doing 27:41.360 --> 27:45.760 our best with the funding we have, we're trying to get funding to do it, but it's difficult, 27:45.760 --> 27:50.320 it's difficult to work on that, I'd like to point to the documents on the internet, 27:50.320 --> 27:59.760 then there was a question about blind people, we don't have too much knowledge on our side, 27:59.760 --> 28:06.000 we don't have too many contacts, so I cannot really answer that question, and yeah, 28:06.000 --> 28:13.040 in terms of API, we don't have an API for developers, what we have is an API for developers 28:13.040 --> 28:18.480 of apps, we have an API for developers of apps, so if you have an app that manages documents, 28:18.480 --> 28:24.960 you can embed crypto pad, so it's an API to embed crypto pad, so you have a crypto 28:24.960 --> 28:30.960 server, and you can send a document to crypto pad, make it editable and embed it as an 28:30.960 --> 28:35.760 I-frame in your own software, so you get access to the editing features of crypto pad, 28:35.760 --> 28:40.800 actually the other type of API that you might think about is one where programmatically 28:40.800 --> 28:46.480 you can access the content of documents, read and write, that is actually something that we 28:46.480 --> 28:52.560 don't have that easily, this is one of the difficulties with intuition, we need a lot of code 28:52.560 --> 28:58.240 on the client side in order to make APIs, and for some documents it's super complicated, 28:58.240 --> 29:04.160 so we have done some experiments with common line tools to connect to crypto pad, so for example, 29:04.160 --> 29:08.320 we have some common line tools where you can create a rich text editor, but we don't have one 29:08.320 --> 29:13.360 that can create enough is document, and the problem is that it's very difficult to actually 29:13.360 --> 29:18.160 interact with the actual content when you don't have the editor, so for purely common line 29:18.160 --> 29:24.880 API it's much more complex work, we're trying to work on it, but it's a lot of work, thank you 29:31.680 --> 29:37.120 thank you and let's say that you uploaded all the team of crypto pad that is working on it, thank you